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Post by California gal on Oct 2, 2011 11:35:05 GMT -8
I took all the words you guys discerned and put them into a Google search. All I got was a bunch of pages in Italian--which I couldn't read and I don't think they were lyrics to opera anyway. ;D
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Oct 2, 2011 11:43:26 GMT -8
I know, Cal Gal; same here. We need someone who can actually spell in Italian, and that sure ain't me!
Ah well, me and my obsessive nitpickiness. Thanks, y'all.
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Oct 2, 2011 12:13:03 GMT -8
Actually, I got to thinking of a Canadian production of The Mikado that was shown on A&E oh, maybe 20 years or so back. In it, they had updated some lyrics to make jokes about contemporary (for that time) politicians -- referring, for example, to Ronald Reagan as geriatric, that sort of thing. When they made reference to Pierre Trudeau, the actor playing Pooh-Bah sloooooowly raised his hand in that peculiar salute that Trudeau was well-known at the time for being caught making...
The same salute that we've caught dear ol' Artie making from time to time in Cal Gal's screen caps of him. Oh snerk!
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Oct 2, 2011 12:28:20 GMT -8
Listening to the operatic singing Artie does -- ok, he definitely says 'la luna' which would be 'the moon' -- also 'carina' -- looked that up, it means 'pretty.' It would help if I could a) spell in Italian and b) figure out where the words start and end. The first three syllables he sings seem to be 'Cheveste' but I don't know how or even if to separate them out. Melisma's a bit ragged -- yeah, like I could do better! Edited to add: And after the first three syllables, sounds like the next is 'siempre la dulse' -- always the sweet? As a choral singer, I blush to admit that I had to look up "melisma." But you're right, his changes are a bit ragged, yet he could produce lovely tone. That's why I'm convinced that he could sing beautifully if he tried. When actors are singing in character they often don't try to make it pretty. ( Another example--RC singing "Buffalo Gals" in... I forget which episode. He started his career as a nightclub singer, I believe, so I'm sure he could do a lot better than he did in that instance. Apparently Jim isn't a singer.) You're right, "carina" is in there, and "che" something. And "piu" (a little). At least I think that's what I'm hearing. O... k... Decided to watch Diva just now, since we're talking opera. And you know what? That's the episode in which Jim sings 'Buffalo Gals'.
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Post by California gal on Oct 2, 2011 14:36:36 GMT -8
Jim also sings in another episode--Tycoons? Where he goes into a saloon and they are singing Bird in a Gilded Cage. He sings along.
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Oct 3, 2011 6:59:05 GMT -8
About Diva -- is it like a job requirement that henchies be dense?
In the denouement scene in the Masked One's lair, when the henchies are bringing in the two people they just kidnapped by gassing them in the carriage -- does it occur to NONE of them that the pair were gassed together, yet now the girl is walking and seems perfectly alert, yet the man is still out and must be carried?
In addition, the girl is supposedly an opera diva, and yet she's as meek as a lamb -- and none of the henchies notice there's something wrong with that?
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Oct 3, 2011 10:59:38 GMT -8
True, if henchies were smart, they wouldn't need the boss.
Of course, that's assuming intelligence on the part of the boss... not always the case.
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Post by California gal on Oct 3, 2011 13:22:50 GMT -8
The bad guy bosses always have to come up with some horrible method to polish off the heroes, instead of just shooting them. And then they wander off and allow the heroes to devise a method of escape. Classic old time serial plots!
Of course, the one time Loveless was going to just shoot Jim, he had to stand there and blabber about all the reasons why he hated Jim--and gave Artie time to show up to the rescue.
The one that always puzzles me though is in Death Masks. Emmett Stark spends all this time and money devising this mental torture for Jim and Artie, then instead of staying around to watch them die, he blithely leaves it in the hands of the aforementioned thickheaded henchies--which of course gives our heroes a chance to escape and ruin all Stark's grand plans.
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Post by California gal on Oct 3, 2011 14:14:52 GMT -8
Fits in with snish's theory about Loveless, which I happen to concur with and have suggested in a couple of my stories. He doesn't really, really want to kill Jim. In fact, in Murderous Spring, Jim tells Loveless "you need me," to which Loveless explodes in indignation that he doesn't need ANYBODY. And Jim admitted later that he was going to miss the little doctor.
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Post by Apple on Oct 4, 2011 5:20:45 GMT -8
Wow niecie, I haven't heard or used the word 'denouement' in at least 20 years! I love it!
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Post by California gal on Oct 6, 2011 19:28:40 GMT -8
Did you ever notice in the teaser to Human Trigger, the boys ride into the (nearly) deserted town and talk about it being high noon... yet they have long shadows like it's either mid morning or mid afternoon?
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Post by Apple on Oct 7, 2011 5:05:24 GMT -8
I didn't ever think that it was a mistake, when he tripped and looked at the camera. I thought it was part of the script...but he was so good, you are probably right, Ace.
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Post by SpottedPony on Oct 7, 2011 6:08:24 GMT -8
There's also that shadow problem in Sureal McCoy. When Loveless brings Jim out into the street for the show down with McCoy(Artie), the sun is just a little to the left from overhead. The shadows extend a few inches out from the bases of the buildings. Then Artie comes out and when they start their walk down, the shadows extend several feet from the buildings into the street and they have to walk through the shadows. I was wondering did time pass that quickly in that world, or was that walk down a lot longer than it looked.
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Oct 7, 2011 6:51:28 GMT -8
Also when Burgess is holding the two wires threatening to touch them and trigger the earthquake, then the Girl shows up -- when she comes up behind him and talks suddenly and he jumps -- I'm pretty sure he accidentally touches the wires together briefly and of course nothing happens.
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Post by Apple on Oct 7, 2011 9:31:28 GMT -8
No device is perfect ;D LOL!
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Post by Apple on Oct 7, 2011 11:44:56 GMT -8
Cool! I will have to tell the kids, they will want to see that!
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Oct 7, 2011 12:14:36 GMT -8
Trying to figure out why, in the bar fight at the Mermaid Tavern in Watery Death, Jim wags his finger at one of the toughs just before he punches him into the bar?
I thought it was cute later on when Artie is looking for the Mermaid again and finds it's been changed into Maude's (!) Dress Shoppe, he looks in the window, sees ladies' unmentionables, and hides his face as if embarrassed.
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Post by California gal on Oct 7, 2011 14:14:40 GMT -8
In Human Trigger, right around the time Artie shows up as the German professor, anyone notice a dog barking in the background?
A while back I watched an old show from the 50s or 60s that had commentary by a man who had directed one of the episodes. He talked about the tight schedule on filming, and he said that if a boo-boo happened and it did not affect the plot, they usually left it in.
And as we've said a few times, in those days they simply did not expect people to be able to watch the episodes over and over, freeze frame and slo-mo and all that. These types of "errors" would be under scrutiny and tweeted or talked about in blogs or on what few message boards remain. In those days, they were aired and that was it. Maybe you might see the same episode again in a rerun, maybe not.
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Post by Apple on Oct 7, 2011 17:17:43 GMT -8
I thought it was cute later on when Artie is looking for the Mermaid again and finds it's been changed into Maude's (!) Dress Shoppe, he looks in the window, sees ladies' unmentionables, and hides his face as if embarrassed. Oh I thought someone looked out and saw him, so he skedaddled with his face covered. Arte isn't the type to look away embarrassed ;D
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Post by Apple on Oct 8, 2011 14:31:28 GMT -8
In Lord of Limbo, after the title sequence, Jim is riding his horse to the Phoenix club, at 6:07, look behind Jim in the sky, right after RC turns his head camera direction. From 6:07-6:09, looks like a single prop airplane. Or maybe it was a UFO looking for Jim. Also, The Night of the Falcon, in the beginning tag, starting at 1:27, when the people are walking out of the town and right before Jim & Artie, riding their horses, come into frame. From 1:27-1:29 look in the upper far left corner behind the row of Juniper trees, a large white semi-truck rolls by. I just thought it was funny. ;D Ok, we watched Lord of Limbo last night to see the plane, and when I first caught it I thought, no that's a bird. The second time I could see that it looked like a plane. My daughter said she thought so too, since the wings were straight out and not like a birds. Have to watch Falcon soon!
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Post by Apple on Oct 8, 2011 15:47:04 GMT -8
Totally did not see a truck roll by in Falcon, not anywhere in the teaser. We watched it in slow motion at that point several times. Nothing.
And as for Limbo, after watching the teaser to Falcon so many times, maybe it was a bird! That falcon had a really straight wingspan! LOL
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Post by Apple on Oct 8, 2011 18:06:46 GMT -8
That might explain it Ace, I might have had the screen zoomed. Will try it again.
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Post by Silver on Oct 10, 2011 11:59:36 GMT -8
Sorry to break the illusion of WWW but take a look, see: ;D In Lord of Limbo, after the title sequence, Jim is riding his horse to the Phoenix club, at 6:07, look behind Jim in the sky, right after RC turns his head camera direction. From 6:07-6:09, looks like a single prop airplane. Or maybe it was a UFO looking for Jim. Also, The Night of the Falcon, in the beginning tag, starting at 1:27, when the people are walking out of the town and right before Jim & Artie, riding their horses, come into frame. From 1:27-1:29 look in the upper far left corner behind the row of Juniper trees, a large white semi-truck rolls by. I just thought it was funny. ;D And we all thought the scuba-diver in Turncoat was bad! I bet I know what episodes got watched a lot this weekend. Now I have to go home and look for those things! Wheeee! No disillusionment, just fun!
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Post by Silver on Oct 11, 2011 8:34:30 GMT -8
Okay, I watched those two last night. Definitely a small monoplane in Limbo. You have SHARP eyes, though, to spot it! As for Falcon, I couldn't make my tv show me the truck, although I definitely see something going by in a manner that sure looks like a car or truck. I think I'm only seeing the shadow, maybe the very bottom edge of some wheels. Again, what incredibly sharp eyes you have!
I nominate Ace to be Official Detective in CHarge of Anachronistic Flubs! (OD-CHAF)
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Oct 11, 2011 8:42:16 GMT -8
I am definitely not seeing any bird or plane in Lord of Limbo; I can barely see a tiny patch of sky. Edited to add: Hey, you said 6:07 -- it was at 7:07! *grumble grumble*
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Oct 11, 2011 12:11:34 GMT -8
Watching Freebooters -- when Artie disguised as the colonel goes to see Jim & Enrique in the cell, Enrique calls him a traitor and Artie says his line about the rat snarling at a tiger -- as he ends the line, he makes his hat go up and down. I don't see *how* he does it, but he does.
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Post by Silver on Oct 11, 2011 13:33:16 GMT -8
Hmm, I'll have to go take a look and see if I can figure it out. I know I used to could make a cowboy hat rock back and forth on my head by moving my brow up and down. Long story, but just believe me, it served me well at the time.
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Post by California gal on Oct 11, 2011 13:43:21 GMT -8
I've seen that hat movement in other movies and TV shows on various characters--not always for comedy effect. Just happens I think.
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Oct 11, 2011 21:24:43 GMT -8
You're on, Ace! ;D
And I'm going to put the time difference down to our different time zones. Yep, that's my story and I'm stickin' with it...
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Post by Silver on Oct 12, 2011 6:39:51 GMT -8
Okay, I watched those two last night. Definitely a small monoplane in Limbo. You have SHARP eyes, though, to spot it! As for Falcon, I couldn't make my tv show me the truck, although I definitely see something going by in a manner that sure looks like a car or truck. I think I'm only seeing the shadow, maybe the very bottom edge of some wheels. Again, what incredibly sharp eyes you have! I nominate Ace to be Official Detective in CHarge of Anachronistic Flubs! (OD-CHAF) Now..... am I going to get in trouble for changing my personal text? If so, I'll just blame you, Silver. ;D For being so nice, Silver, I'm sending you a bag of chocolate chip mac nut cookies your way. My little cockatiel, Feathers, just got back delivering Niecie a bag and is tired, so I'll send it via bottle in ocean, believe me when I tell you, that you will receive it before any cargo ship or plane. Yuppers! The bottle must have taken the Panama Canal, then made it's way up the Lower Colorado River just like a salmon going to spawn. Darn thing even did a perfect leap onto the Congress Avenue bridge (a.k.a. the bat bridge) and rode on top of the bus until we got to my stop, and jumped right into my arms. YUMMMMMMMMMM Oh, and as for your avatar text, if they let me get away with that terrible pun in mine, I'm sure they won't mind your little change.
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