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Post by California gal on Feb 20, 2013 12:36:15 GMT -8
I'm not sure if this is an "imponderable," but did you ever wonder why the guys didn't recognize Loveless's voice when he was wearing the armor in Green Terror?  (Of course it would have ruined the whole plot if they did!) |
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Feb 20, 2013 18:21:41 GMT -8
Good point. Loveless' voice is very distinctive, and he certainly didn't make any discernible attempt to disguise it, did he?
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Feb 28, 2013 13:02:55 GMT -8
Oh, I thought of another one. In TNOT Deadly Bed, Jim tells Artie to provide a distraction. Artie responds, "I could recite," and then goes off in this wild rant, running around, hopping over the locomotive axles that are lying about for unknown reasons, and generally doing his patented Rabble Rousing shtick. (And every time I watch it, I wonder if that was scripted or if Ross was making it all up.) But here's the imponderable part. Artie is stirring up the poor Mexican workers by ranting in English. And yet when Jim wants the workers to know anything (such as "Get out of here before the place blows up!"), he tells Gatita what to say and she translates. So why does the rant work? Never mind that in later episodes, both Jim and Artie speak perfectly good Spanish.  |
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Post by California gal on Feb 28, 2013 13:48:43 GMT -8
If such a scene were filmed today, Artie would be ranting in Spanish, and we'd have captioning on the bottom of the screen.
Fun to think about these things, isn't it? I'll just say the writers were lucky that they were writing scripts in 1965 rather than 2013! They wouldn't live through the day! Think of all the tweets!
I'm just thinking of another odd scene, in Amnesiac, when Artie goes into the barber shop or whatever it was and loses Crotty. He goes into that other room that Crotty apparently went into, and no one is there. That was never explained, never even referred to later. Did he go into a secret room? The one where the banquet was laid out later? I still don't quite comprehend the reason for that banquet scene, other than to get rid of the brother and show us how nasty Crotty really is.
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Mar 4, 2013 11:29:21 GMT -8
Here's another one. In TNOT Iron Fist, Jim tells Count Draja they will stop for the night at an abandoned shed. Then the Garrisons show up to ambush the shed. In every shot of the inside of the shed, it's night time -- as it should be. But in the shots outside the shed, it's daylight. Well, I understand -- how would the audience be able to see what the Garrisons are doing without some sort of lighting out there? But it sure comes off weird, switching back and forth between day and night. Besides, there were other episodes (Assassin comes to mind) where there are scenes outside at night and they looked like nighttime scenes. So why was this one different?
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Post by California gal on Mar 4, 2013 16:21:19 GMT -8
I'm sure I never noticed that. They did stop for the night. And when they were escaping, when the dust storm hit, it was daylight. Next day? All I can say (again) is that it's a good thing the internet didn't exist back then!  |
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Post by averi on Mar 5, 2013 1:43:22 GMT -8
All I can say (again) is that it's a good thing the internet didn't exist back then! The internet did exist back then.  Used by military. |
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Post by arabella on Mar 5, 2013 5:53:18 GMT -8
All I can say (again) is that it's a good thing the internet didn't exist back then! The internet did exist back then. Used by military. AFAIK, it was in experimental stages then, involving a very small number of computers, not yet being used by the military. Scenes that were supposed to be at night, but were obviously filmed during the day, are a pet peeve of mine. But it was much easier and cheaper for the film company to shoot during the day using filters, so they settled for it. |
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Mar 5, 2013 7:12:01 GMT -8
Well, if they used filters for the outside parts of that particular fight scene, they were spectacularly bad filters!
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Post by averi on Mar 5, 2013 14:04:43 GMT -8
The internet did exist back then. Used by military. AFAIK, it was in experimental stages then, involving a very small number of computers, not yet being used by the military. laughing ;D Oh if you say so.  Arabella you been in military? analfabet vet alla amerikanska in topic concerned Färdiga Have good night! ;D |
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Post by California gal on Mar 5, 2013 14:28:21 GMT -8
Of course, when I said the internet wasn't around, I meant for general public use. And that didn't happen until what, the 1990s? I sent my first email, from the university, to another university in Germany, in the mid 1980s. Email and the internet were not yet fully available for home use. I think personal computers were just being developed around then. As to whether the military was using the Internet way back in the 1960s, it probably depends on which conspiracy theory one subscribes to, as well as the definition of "internet,"perhaps. ;D
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Mar 5, 2013 15:04:22 GMT -8
AFAIK, it was in experimental stages then, involving a very small number of computers, not yet being used by the military. laughing ;D Oh if you say so. Arabella you been in military? analfabet vet alla amerikanska in topic concerned Färdiga Have good night! ;D analfabet vet alla amerikanska = illiterate know all American Färdiga = Finished Thank you for your kind remarks, Averi. |
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Post by averi on Mar 5, 2013 22:09:20 GMT -8
All I can say (again) is that it's a good thing the internet didn't exist back then! Of course, when I said the internet wasn't around, I meant for general public use. And that didn't happen until what, the 1990s? I sent my first email, from the university, to another university in Germany, in the mid 1980s. Email and the internet were not yet fully available for home use. I think personal computers were just being developed around then. As to whether the military was using the Internet way back in the 1960s, it probably depends on which conspiracy theory one subscribes to, as well as the definition of "internet,"perhaps. ;D Oh I see, so you been in military working computers, California gal? When I don't know, or have doubt, I don't talk. When I know the truth from experience, I will say and talk. My mother told me when I was a child "Say what you mean and mean what you say." So you don't have to clarify later your communication mistakes. When you use the questionable internet sources to look up, one becomes an insufferable know all when you don't really know yourself. California gal you made an error. I corrected it. You have problem with being told differently? Are you dictor of knowledge telling people their business? My advice talk what you know, your credibility goes down when you talk about something you don't know. "conspiracy theory one subscribes to" laughing ;D ;D ;D  ;D That's a good one California gal do you use that often when you can't bring forth better argument? Are you tonåring flicka into stuff like that? laughing ;D Oh if you say so. Arabella you been in military? analfabet vet alla amerikanska in topic concerned Färdiga Have good night! ;D analfabet vet alla amerikanska = illiterate know all American Färdiga = Finished Thank you for your kind remarks, Averi. You're very welcome Niecie, if you read correctly 'it' (analfabet vet alla amerikanska ) in accord with topic concerned. ;D Are you going to tell me I'm wrong about internet? Please do my colleages would love good laugh! ;D ;D ;D You people Americans need to stick with your opinions about the Wild Wild West which I would rather read, ;D not topics you don't know or have a clue about. California gal need help with talking for herself? Stop with gang mentality 3 to 1 then maybe I will be nicer in my replies.   Fula bully amerikanerna attityd, tror sig härska över världen, typexempel Tackar så mycket god dag |
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Post by arabella on Mar 6, 2013 5:17:22 GMT -8
AFAIK, it was in experimental stages then, involving a very small number of computers, not yet being used by the military. laughing ;D Oh if you say so. Arabella you been in military? analfabet vet alla amerikanska in topic concerned Färdiga Have good night! ;D You could have simply explained where you get your information. Instead you insulted me personally because of a single comment I made. I do not wish to have any discussion with you and will not reply to any posts from you. Please do not reply to any posts of mine. |
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Mar 6, 2013 7:27:52 GMT -8
I would like to apologize to arabella for not making it abundantly clear that my line of: "Thank you for your kind remarks" was intended as cutting sarcasm, as the remarks which I had to translate from Swedish were insults and by no means kind. I am sorry you are being insulted on this thread which I started as a fun place to point out things about our favorite show that make us go If anyone finds any post to be objectionable, by all means, use the Report to Mod link and report the post. |
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Post by California gal on Mar 6, 2013 7:32:22 GMT -8
Fula bully amerikanerna attityd, tror sig härska över världen, typexempel Tackar så mycket god dag
"Ugly bully Americans attitude, think they rule the world, typical example Thank you very much"Too bad your mother didn't teach you "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." How about if "Swedish" was substituted for "American"? Would you like that? Why do you consistently have a problem accepting that others have opinions different from yours? I have to echo Arabella's request. From now on, I will not reply to your posts, and I ask you not to reply to mine. (Somehow I thought that rule was already in effect, but perhaps name changes invalidate it?) |
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Post by California gal on Mar 6, 2013 7:53:27 GMT -8
And look! The children are still playing with the smite button. Well, whatever floats your boat. Somehow makes me feel vindicated. |
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Post by arabella on Mar 6, 2013 7:54:53 GMT -8
I would like to apologize to arabella for not making it abundantly clear that my line of: "Thank you for your kind remarks" was intended as cutting sarcasm, as the remarks which I had to translate from Swedish were insults and by no means kind. I am sorry you are being insulted on this thread which I started as a fun place to point out things about our favorite show that make us go If anyone finds any post to be objectionable, by all means, use the Report to Mod link and report the post. I understood what you meant, Niecie, no problem. I'm sorry that your thread has been derailed and I hope it can get back on track. |
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Post by California gal on Mar 6, 2013 8:27:00 GMT -8
I watched Murderous Spring last night (again ;D ) and speaking of imponderable: how in the world did Loveless and Antoinette--and one hopes, Kitten--escape from the lake to appear in later episodes? LOL! I suspect even Mr. Kneubuhl didn't know the answer to that, so in the next episode (Raven) he just had Loveless say he reversed the laws of physics! ;D |
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Post by Nydiva on Mar 6, 2013 8:40:14 GMT -8
I watched Murderous Spring last night (again ;D ) and speaking of imponderable: how in the world did Loveless and Antoinette--and one hopes, Kitten--escape from the lake to appear in later episodes? LOL! I suspect even Mr. Kneubuhl didn't know the answer to that, so in the next episode (Raven) he just had Loveless say he reversed the laws of physics! ;D I actually have a theory on that one. They managed to find hollow reeds to breathe through and escaped underwater. Perhaps it wasn't easy - but the survival instinct enabled them to thrash their way to safety. |
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Mar 6, 2013 9:24:14 GMT -8
The fact that the surface starts bubbling right after Jim & Artie turn away was apparently meant to indicate that something was going on at the tail end of Murderous Spring, but I'll freely admit, I have no idea what. Hmm... maybe Loveless had his own version of Artie's five-minute underwater breathing apparatus (from TNOT Glowing Corpse) in his pocket? Ok, and here's another imponderable -- admittedly it's a minor one, but it always puzzles me. In Running Death, Artie says of Miss Tyler, "I can see now why the sun never sets on the British Empire," indicating that Tyler is supposed to be British -- Tyler too has lines that point to British citizenship -- and yet Tyler's accent never sounds the least bit British to my ears. Soft and feminine, yes; possibly a touch Southern USA, yes; but British, no. |
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Post by California gal on Mar 6, 2013 9:37:55 GMT -8
As I was driving back from the grocery store just now, something occurred to me. Remember in Terror Stalked the Town, Loveless was wearing rubber underwear (for some unknown reason). Perhaps he also invented inflatable underwear--for both himself and the ladies--and they always wore them in case they got caught in a potential drowning situation in a lake. |
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Post by California gal on Mar 6, 2013 9:38:56 GMT -8
You are right about Miss Tyler, Niecie. Although she had to have her tea, her accent was not that strong. Undoubtedly the best the actor could do. |
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Mar 6, 2013 10:51:00 GMT -8
According to an online interview with Phoebe Dorin, she nearly drowned for real in that stunt at the end of Murderous Spring when her skirt got caught in the device that pulled the rowboat underwater. Michael Dunn, who was in reality a very good swimmer, realized that she hadn't followed him up to the surface, swam back down, and managed to free her.
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Post by California gal on Mar 6, 2013 11:27:50 GMT -8
I remember reading that. They must not have had a safety scuba diver on hand as they did later.
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Mar 6, 2013 11:39:54 GMT -8
Safety... scuba... diver...
*snerk*
Come to think of it, I watched TNOT Turncoat just the other day and it struck me -- Song was in a lot of the first part of the episode, working for the Bad Guy, luring Jim along, even using the knock-out darts on him. But after she shaved Jim and was bullied by Crystal, Song pretty much disappeared -- until the very end, when Jim is taking her out on a date. Oh, another case of a pretty girl getting a pass for being a minion? I thought they stopped doing that after the first season.
Guess not!
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Post by averi on Mar 6, 2013 13:14:57 GMT -8
No! You insult me with your you know more attitude with more insults. I was speaking fact not opinion California gal. You and arrabella were trying to throw facts at me when you were wrong, I pointed them out you insulted me! I will insult back. What's the matter you don't like it when someone stands up to you bullies? Nemo explain to me about your group, it is you who ruins it for others here! I don't run to mommy/daddy administrator I fight my own battles. I wish not to participate or share my point of view from my country. I had hoped to very much but not with the likes of you!! Is this English enough for you? |
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Post by California gal on Mar 6, 2013 13:17:12 GMT -8
I sort of thought that Song was what's-his-name's slave, having been bought from her parents. So she did what he told her too--apparently reluctantly. Would have been nice if she did something to really help Jim toward the end there, to make more sense. All she really did was come up with an explanation for the code Jim marked on the menu.
But she did get a free pass... not to mention dinner with Jim!
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Mar 6, 2013 13:38:17 GMT -8
Oh, I was forgetting about Song bailing Jim out about the menu. And, yes, she was bought by, er, Calamander, was it? One who had a quirky manner of speaking. Crystal Fair's bullying treatment of Song really marked Song as a sympathetic character and Crystal as a nasty character -- all in the course of about two seconds!
Now, this may be reaching a bit as an "imponderable," but ever notice how, when Jim & Artie start talking to Ken Swofford's character in the saloon in Running Death (the infamous piano fight), the room clears? There's only that one fellow sitting by the screen, the one Jim slings aside, left in the bar by the time the fight breaks out. Prescient bunch of saloon-goers, to get out of the room so quickly!
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Post by Nydiva on Mar 7, 2013 19:58:11 GMT -8
It just occurred to me (and I don't think it's been mentioned earlier in this thread) that a major imponderable would be where Artie got all those disguises the times he DIDN'T have access to the Wanderer. Must have been a lot of empty clotheslines when he was in town! And an addendum imponderable is that the clothes always seemed to fit! |
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(Of course it would have ruined the whole plot if they did!)
Arabella you been in military? 
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