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Post by rossgasm on Jul 7, 2011 13:24:20 GMT -8
Good. 
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Post by snish on Jul 7, 2011 17:41:33 GMT -8
Who needs it?  |
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Post by Apple on Jul 9, 2011 9:14:32 GMT -8
I thought I was gonna have to take you down, Lisa! LOL Tricky subject line.
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Post by Artiespet on Jul 10, 2011 16:14:39 GMT -8
Good. Dork  |
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Post by rossgasm on Jul 11, 2011 20:15:46 GMT -8
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Post by rossgasm on Jul 11, 2011 20:16:41 GMT -8
Good. Dork
That's MISS Dork, if you please. |
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Post by Paradox Eyes on Jul 12, 2011 2:10:42 GMT -8
Dork 
I am actually GLAD there is NO slash on here. It is so insulting to all involved. Not only to the characters but to our beloved men themselves.
Believe me, I am no slash fan. I am just a lousy flirt... 
Sorry for the confusion. 
While searching for real Wild Wild West fan fiction, I've come across this stuff and scanned a few of them, much to my dismay. They serve no purpose other than being some type of 'porn' for lack of a better term. They don't have storylines with a plot or theme related to the series. They are more of a standard recipe for fantasy contact between characters that don't even exist in the show. Older character is generally the agressor, professes infatuation/love to younger character, proceed to engage...(physical description of contact). They just insert their show names and describe the fantasy. It in no way resembles the TV show itself. They could put any name in the recipe and it would be the same. Why bother? Why even reference it as the Wild Wild West or any other show that doesn't portray the characters that way? |
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Post by Silver on Jul 12, 2011 6:11:56 GMT -8
Well, you all know how attached I am to canon. Nothing could possibly be further from canon than to imagine either of our fellas having any sexual interest in men. They love one another, but definitely as best friends and even brothers!
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Post by Artiespet on Jul 20, 2011 12:16:06 GMT -8
Dork
That's MISS Dork, if you please. Oh no Miss Dork is Apple ;D |
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Post by Artiespet on Jul 20, 2011 12:16:40 GMT -8
Dork
I am actually GLAD there is NO slash on here. It is so insulting to all involved. Not only to the characters but to our beloved men themselves.
Believe me, I am no slash fan. I am just a lousy flirt...
Sorry for the confusion.
It woke people up so apparently it works lol |
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Post by Apple on Jul 23, 2011 9:35:44 GMT -8
That's MISS Dork, if you please. Oh no Miss Dork is Apple ;D HEY! I resemble that remark, but it isn't me. I am just plain weird. |
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Post by Artiespet on Jul 23, 2011 9:49:55 GMT -8
Oh no Miss Dork is Apple ;D HEY! I resemble that remark, but it isn't me. I am just plain weird. Opps my bad MISS weird ;D |
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Post by snish on Jul 23, 2011 10:02:34 GMT -8
While searching for real Wild Wild West fan fiction, I've come across this stuff and scanned a few of them, much to my dismay. They serve no purpose other than being some type of 'porn' for lack of a better term. They don't have storylines with a plot or theme related to the series. They are more of a standard recipe for fantasy contact between characters that don't even exist in the show. Older character is generally the agressor, professes infatuation/love to younger character, proceed to engage...(physical description of contact). They just insert their show names and describe the fantasy. It in no way resembles the TV show itself. They could put any name in the recipe and it would be the same. Why bother? Why even reference it as the Wild Wild West or any other show that doesn't portray the characters that way? I actually read a couple of slash fics for another series, just to see what the fuss was about. Some of it was rather witty, funny, and well-written, but I can't say it was sexy or interesting. Some of it was pretty lame. Not my cuppa tea. I'm still scratching my head wondering why people write the stuff though. It's generally written by straight women, not gay men. Maybe some people have difficulty distinguishing between different kinds of love. |
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Post by conansf on Jul 24, 2011 18:17:37 GMT -8
Yes, snish, I think you have at least part of the reason. But like it or, in our cases, loathe it, slash fanfiction has been around forever and will continue. All you can do is ignore it and reiterate that it is not cannon.
It drives the script writers demented as well. However much they stress the het aspects of their heroes, the slash fanfic writers still have a go.
I do like Russell T Davis' take on it though. He is the creative mind behind Torchwood, the Doctor Who spin-off, which had the quirky and almost subliminal sub-plot that EVERYONE, especialy all the ailens, were happily gay or bi. Loud were the complaints from the slash fanfic writers that he hadn't given them any room to pair up characters, as it was happening in the show already! I'm sure he did this deliberately to get a sblack person out of their confusion.
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Post by California gal on Jul 24, 2011 19:29:07 GMT -8
I like to watch movies from the 1930s and 1940s, and I often go to IMDB to read reviews and the boards for the movies. It never fails that if a friendship was depicted between two men or two women, modern viewers are certain it was a gay relationship. They don't seem to be able to grasp the meaning of friendship.
But it's also rather ironic that at one time a man and a woman couldn't be friends. If they were seen spending time together, gossip had them "together." (And it still happens with celebs.) But now I know young men and women today especially who are just pals. However, same sex couples can't be "friends."
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Post by conansf on Aug 1, 2011 19:42:19 GMT -8
I'm confused about my post. I did not write the words "black person" in my post. It should be the word "sblack person" as in "snide laughter" - oh, I see what has happened - do you have a programme that changes the n-word to "black person"? I applaud your thoughtfulness, that's clever - but it took me a while to see it!!  |
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Post by Paradox Eyes on Aug 2, 2011 2:02:06 GMT -8
I'm confused about my post. I did not write the words "black person" in my post. It should be the word "sblack person" as in "snide laughter" - oh, I see what has happened - do you have a programme that changes the n-word to "black person"? I applaud your thoughtfulness, that's clever - but it took me a while to see it!! The other board won't let you use the word "suck". I.e. "The wind sucked the papers through the window." So if you are writing fanfiction, using that word, it ends up as 's*cked' in your posting. |
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Post by Silver on Aug 2, 2011 5:50:28 GMT -8
I actually read a couple of slash fics for another series, just to see what the fuss was about. Some of it was rather witty, funny, and well-written, but I can't say it was sexy or interesting. Some of it was pretty lame. Not my cuppa tea. I'm still scratching my head wondering why people write the stuff though. It's generally written by straight women, not gay men. Maybe some people have difficulty distinguishing between different kinds of love. I'm not questioning what you wrote Snish, because I'm sure you're right but I'm confused at the part where straight women, not gay men generally write slash. 2 months ago I didn't even know what slash was,... so how can straight women write about what gay men experience? It seems a little disingenuous and strange on the writer's account. I'm also scratching my head, wondering why, too. Of course, it's a rhetorical question, something to think about, but then again...not something I would want to think about.  I have read an explanation of this phenomenon (Snish is quite right in saying slash is largely written by straight women). The theory is that especially your average middle-aged professional woman is so disillusioned about men and their ability (or lack thereof) to express tender feelings that they find a relief in writing two men together who do express these things, emotionally and physically. I actually have no problem with it when there is at least some indication in the cannon that the characters may be inclined that way, at least with one another. But I think that makes me all the more repulsed by someone trying it with characters that very clearly have no such inclination. |
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Post by lilyfortune on Aug 2, 2011 9:00:42 GMT -8
I too have run across slash fanfics while looking for the real deal (and I have to admit that until fairly recently I never knew such a thing existed, my naivete I guess) and I have to say that "repulsed" is the best way to describe what I feel about WWW slash fics. I read enough to satisfy my curiosity and after wards felt like I needed some brain bleach to remove the images from my mind.....frankly I think they're an abuse of the characters in any fiction, not just our guys----does that seem too strong a judgment? As Paradox said, the writers seem to just take this fantasy storyline they imagine, plug in whatever characters they wish, whether they be from WWW, Harry Potter, Star Trek, etc. and off they go to "create" non-canonic relationships of a sexual nature that just don't fit. I find it very strange that straight woman are mainly the authors of slash fiction, I never would have guessed that in a million years. I don't want to come off sounding like a Puritan but I don't think slash has any redeeming value. From the little I read I could see that some of it had some well-written scenes but I couldn't help but think, "if only this was in a regular fic so I could really enjoy it". I really don't see the point in throwing characters like Jim & Artie into situations that are so anti everything they are, there's already so much to work with in the real brotherly relationship they have . I can only guess that some writers don't understand true brotherly love between men, maybe a reading of the Damon & Pythias story would help them out......nah, they would probably choose to ignore it or just turn those two into gay characters as well.......I know I'm preaching to the choir here, I know you guys dislike WWW slash as much as I do, guess I just need to vent a little on the subject because it bugs me.
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Post by Paradox Eyes on Aug 3, 2011 1:58:30 GMT -8
This has been a good discussion thread. I also, did not know that much of it was written by straight women. Interesting theory as to why... Are they punishing these heroic men or identifying with them? I've not done any research on the subject, but thank you, Silver, for bringing that aspect of it to the table. It helps to understand some of the why behind it. As much as we don't like them doing that with our beloved characters, at least most give a warning that it is slash and we can steer clear of it. It's a shame though, because likely, there are some really good writers among them and they would find a larger and more appreciative audience for their work among the fans who follow the show's canon.
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Post by Silver on Aug 3, 2011 5:30:14 GMT -8
You are right, P.E., about the quality of this discussion. It helps that we all are in agreement, but one of the many rare qualities that this group has is the ability to discuss our dislikes as well as our likes in a reserved, intelligent manner without anyone transforming into a cuisine-challenged bridge substructure symbiot. (I think the fact that our boys are such gentlement helps!)
I mean, Jim's Jewels are perfectly willing to say admiring things about Artie, and Artie's Angels are quick to drool over... I mean admire Jim's pecs and abs.
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Post by conansf on Aug 3, 2011 12:32:53 GMT -8
Quote "The other board won't let you use the word "suck". I.e. "The wind sucked the papers through the window." So if you are writing fanfiction, using that word, it ends up as 's*cked' in your posting. " OK, is it just me but doesn't that seem dirtier?  |
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Post by lilyfortune on Aug 4, 2011 7:24:57 GMT -8
Re: needing a heads-up about slash, something pertaining to that happened to me recently when a saw a WWW fanzine on Ebay. There was nothing to indicate whether it was slash or not but something told me to ask before bidding. The seller had NO idea what I was talking about, I had to explain and eventually got a sheepish sounding answer back, something like, "Uh, well, yeah that's what it is, I'll change the listing". It seems they had not even examined it before putting it up for auction so "let the buyer beware" is a good adage to follow in cases like this. Needless to say I was disappointed  |
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Post by Aunt Maud on Aug 4, 2011 9:05:09 GMT -8
Tricky Subject indeed! When I said elsewhere on this Board that the whole fanfic stuff is relatively new to me I was not NOT kidding! Hell! ( Sorry for the swearing, this is the other national sports, m'afraid!) Only about three years ago, I thought I was the only lonely loony on the Planet to have written little stories about 'my' heroes !!!! Thanks to my temporarily incapacitated state, after an unfortunate bike-bash-ouch! - but what should I find? YOU! Guys!  And what a welcome that was  (After I finally decided to take DA plunge, go surfing the Ether, and timidly say "Hi!") Now surfing is as dangerous as biking and I did find myself in some strange waters indeed! Of course being contrary by nature, the "Absolutely NO slash" warning sign found here and there led to the naive and irresistibly persistent question "What is it?" (I cannot tell you how many times this got me in troubles! But hey, that's me, and given my age, I have resigned myself by now: I'll never learn! Of course, I blame the WWW influence, as neither Artie or Jim know how to stay out of trouble!) So here I am, dangerously naive, and stumbling upon some quite strange pieces of writing! OH BOY!  My secret weapon? Laughing if off! And noisy gales of laughter! Do I want to take that stuff seriously? Never in a million...! I suppose I was lucky, I merely stumbles onto some bits that could be seemed as little sexy tales, of which there has been a tradition since humanity have been writing...Do I need anatomy lessons? No, thanks! I know all about that. Then it's stopped being funny, in fact it is Not funny at all! Some other pieces including vampires, gore and all sort etc... Well, one line and I am out of here! YUCK! Some... NO Well, we are not even getting there, without bio-suits! It's filthy and disrespectful...Like so much stuff on the Internet! That is just sad! In the end, I should be glad even for the mixed experience, at least I can brief the kids more effectively about the risks and dangers of internet surfing, so-called 'soft' porn and images or texts that CAN pollute the mind! Here again, Artie and Jim have guided my steps... |
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Post by Aunt Maud on Aug 4, 2011 9:56:55 GMT -8
Sorry ... Aunt Maud again. Just wanted to clarify a personal point: I do not consider myself homophobic and I know for a fact that there is quite a crowd of WWW fans who are gays, and why shouldn't that be the case? It is not the representation of same sex love which I have a problem with, it is the MIS-representation of it though pornography. There is such a thing as good and healthy sexuality, homo -hetero- bi, like there is good food, and good vine; the mis-use, and abuse of which can turn the best stuff into trash! Personally, I like nothing more than to share good food and good vine; it always tastes better as a social endeavour in good, convivial company; by contrast, good sex, I'd prefer to savour strictly behind closed doors! There is often 'today', a BIG confusion between freedom - including responsability- and license, clamoring only for its rights- the public and private spheres...It is easy to loose one's bearings, internet and all...So fast, so omnipresent, pushing all boundaries... Perhaps we are all struggling with the above, to an extent? After all, I am posting this... |
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Post by Silver on Aug 9, 2011 5:57:52 GMT -8
Thanks, Ace, but I can't take the credit. The term 'cuisine-challenged bridge substructure symbiont' (I misspelled it the first time) was invented by the highly talented and quite riske' cartoonist Brooke McEldowney. In his online-only 'Pibgorn' - which stars the title character fairy, a church organist and a succubus - an actual troll stated his preference for the more politically-correct title. www.gocomics.com/pibgorn/2002/12/18/ *ROTFL* |
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Post by tyche on Mar 4, 2012 10:01:54 GMT -8
That is something that I'm worried about - in one of my stories I have a scene where Artie turns to the woman who's saved Jim and says that she mustn't think that he and Jim are lovers and the woman replies that it wouldn't bother her if they were. There's no suggestion of Slash but I think the story may need a rewrite.
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Post by California gal on Mar 4, 2012 12:01:37 GMT -8
You could probably have one version for FF.net--properly rated--and another here.  |
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Post by tyche on Mar 5, 2012 3:58:03 GMT -8
That's a good point, and it certainly would't detract from the story to pull that chunk out for this site. Like most things sometimes I can overcompensate and try too hard when I don't need to. But yes, I could keep the bit I'm worried about for FF.net and completely excise it from the version I post here. Make sense?
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And what a welcome that was 
(After I finally decided to take DA plunge, go surfing the Ether, and timidly say "Hi!")
