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Post by lass on Jun 1, 2011 7:14:30 GMT -8
Do you think Artemus & Lily ever got married? & why wouldn't it have worked out between them or did he find someone else & if so what kind of lady was it?
Did James ever settle down???
Writing a story & need some input . . . . thanks ~ Lass
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Post by California gal on Jun 1, 2011 7:59:49 GMT -8
If you've read my story, you know the answer. In my "future" story (TNOT Devil's Reunion) I had Artie and Lily married with two kids, and Jim settled with a kid of his own. That didn't stop them from getting into trouble with Dr. Loveless! Don't depend on our opinions. I'll be eager to read your version of what happened to our favorite heroes.
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Post by Dieter on Jun 1, 2011 8:03:47 GMT -8
In Wild Wild West Revisited (which I try avoid watching ), was anything about Artie having been married ever get brought up? I only remember Jim had like 7 or more wives.
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Post by rielle on Jun 1, 2011 10:09:55 GMT -8
If you've read my story, you know the answer. In my "future" story (TNOT Devil's Reunion) I had Artie and Lily married with two kids, and Jim settled with a kid of his own. That didn't stop them from getting into trouble with Dr. Loveless! Don't depend on our opinions. I'll be eager to read your version of what happened to our favorite heroes. just my opinion of course but I think it a lot more likely Artie would marry and Lily would be a great choice, if he could just persuade her he's not about to blow up all the danged time. LOL
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Post by rielle on Jun 1, 2011 10:20:23 GMT -8
In Wild Wild West Revisited (which I try avoid watching ), was anything about Artie having been married ever get brought up? I only remember Jim had like 7 or more wives. Haven't seen that movie in a long time now, but at the beginning, wasn't Artie being unhappily pursued by someone in the theatre where Jim came looking for him. That to me suggests no, he's not married, but Ghu knows, right? Jim's 'wives'... well for one thing they're all down in Mexico somewhere and despite how law-abiding Jim had been in the past, during the series run, I'm not at all convinced he got married seven times. I kinda doubt that would have been legal, anywhere but MAYBE Utah at that time, and not even in Utah, after it was admitted to the Union. My own still incomplete future-cast for Jim and Artie has Artie married to another former agent, he's teaching tactics, devices and other interesting topics to Secret Service agents in training and keeping one hand at least in a touring company of other Shakespeareans. They have at least one child, a son, who's g-dfather is Jim, naturally. Oh and some point, probably when Teddy Roosevelt becomes President due to the McKinley assassination, Artie becomes Director of the Secret Service. Jim I have not married off, though. I have him adopting the three or four children of a close friend and cousin after said cousin and his wife die in a hurricane that hits the coast of North Carolina, as they often do. And there's an unwritten story that does get a mention in the biography I devised for Jim 'How to be an Actual Hero', one where Jim falls in love with a European Queen Dowager, [widowed]. But Victorian class problems especially royal ones don't permit a marriage. So ... they remain very good friends until she passes away, leaving Jim a lonesome but busy guy, as he's teaching at West Point and teaching agents in training too, a dodging the Director's job that Artie would love to turn over to his partner.
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Post by Silver on Jun 1, 2011 11:46:39 GMT -8
Well, in The Night of the Descendants (I will go back to writing on that some day soon ... hopefully) Lilly is the woman involved in Artie being the great-great grandfather of Rollin Hand, from Mission: Impossible. My feeling is that they do eventually marry, but that's only my feeling. As to Jim being the g-g grandfather of Emma Peel, I don't really have the feeling that marriage was necessarily involved. I sense more of a torrid affair with some English woman - possibly followed, when she discovered her condition (and he was gone back to America), by a good marriage to an understanding sort of man. Finding that he has a "100% English" (according to Mrs. Peel) g-g granddaughter comes as quite a surprise - to both of them.
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Post by piper on Jun 1, 2011 14:33:46 GMT -8
In the fourth part of my story that some of you have read, Arte and Lily are married with three children, but it's toward the end of his career and he's not in the field any more...until Jim needs him.
And Jim...well, yes and no. Don't want to ruin it if there are any of you who haven't read the four stories and want to.
Thanks to all of you who did read them and if anyone else wants to, just email me...piper@whidbey.net, and I'll send them right out.
Piper
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Post by snish on Jun 1, 2011 14:51:50 GMT -8
I rather like the idea of Artie and Lily "like ships in the night," meeting occasionally for a long-running affair as they both pursue their careers. But if Artie ever retires from field work, he could marry Lily and I'm sure they would be a devoted and happy couple. It's hard for me to picture Jim getting married, I guess because it's hard for me to picture him ever retiring from field work. As long as they're constantly putting themselves in mortal danger, it would be irresponsible for either of them to get married and have families to support.
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Post by conansf on Jun 1, 2011 16:43:25 GMT -8
I have a take on this, which follows a story I wrote, which I am posting in Conansf's Canyon. Never being one to let well enough alone, after my story finishes I wrote this paragraph for my own notes - maybe it will lead to another story. I have found I have to slightly modify this as I miscalculated the ages of Artie's grandchildren.
Artemus Gordon married Arden Masterton with a lavish fiesta at the home of his friend James West. A week later he took his new bride to Europe. Starting in Paris, France, they sampled the heady nightlife and culture of the European cities Artemus had visited many years before. Returning to Mexico their son and only child, was born later that year. 1891(?) Ulysses James Gordon was as forward thinking as his father and developed the family honey hives into the honey beer brewery that seven generations on, is still in family hands. Although he did not live to see it, Artemus’ granddaughter was one of the first notable actresses in the early days of film. She obviously inherited the Gordon acting gene and was famed as a child actor for her speaking voice and ability to mimic much older stars of the day. She took the name Artemis Arden as her stage name. (Am basing "her" career loosely on that of Jane Withers, born 1926.) Her and her husband went on to found a radio station (Call sign WEST)(guess which family she married into) which ironically was best known for its thrilling wild west radio serials. This was due in large part to the detailed and best-selling (in their day) memoirs of her Grandfather! Copies of which are now scarce, although the Library of Congress has a full set. Interestingly for many years they were in the fiction section until a family member (her son) objected and got the classification changed. Some years later the family was pleased to give permission for their use to an eager up and coming story writer for the new medium of television, where they contributed to the cowboy/spy/action hero mania of the early sixties.
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Post by California gal on Jun 1, 2011 18:20:20 GMT -8
You see, Lass, everyone has their own ideas of how the future turned out for the boys. You're just going to have to present your version.
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Post by conansf on Jun 1, 2011 20:24:23 GMT -8
I've been thinking of a backstory for Jim ending up in Mexico and tried to think where in Mexico. I've only visited Mexico twice briefly. I cannot find anywhere in the books that gives a location. But after doing some research on what conditions were like and how easy it was to travel around, I settled on Nogales as being near the border, being linked by rail to the USA and not being too far from Tuscon. Thus handy for all sorts of things. Unless anyone knows different for sure, I'll base any future stories there, for myself. I have Jim call Tucson "the city" in my Night of the Happy Ever After story and yes I know that it wasn't made a city until a few years later than that story is set but I'll do a GM and have the locals calling it "the city" before it's made official I reckon he heard that a widow was selling a ranch, bought it from her and the widow and her young children never moved out! In fact her sister left her abusive marriage and moved in as well, then a cousin moved in and then her friend, who had been chucked out of her family for being seduced by an older man. And before you know it James has four "wives" and a parcel of children running round. If you forgive me for repeating my paragraph about Juanita, the cause of Jim's trouble in the second movie, here is her story again: Juanita fell for the dashing James West as much for his attitude to independent women, as for his looks. Being at the centre of an adoring family, as the only girl, she felt confined and longed to be free of conventional strictures. So she threw herself in his way. James enjoyed squiring the firey senorita, as being on good terms with her family opened up a lot of business opportunities. When it looked like things were serious between them he explained his lifestyle very carefully but Juanita being a spoilt, wilful and very much indulged girl, simply dismissed as irrelvent anything she didn’t want to hear. Leaving her family, she moved to the ranch and was shocked and chagrined to find that the situation was exactly how James had explained it. Used to being the centre and only object of attention she schemed to be Number One in the household but found herself gently thwarted by the rest of the Girls, who knew very well that they were on to a good thing and did not want anything to change. So Juanita did what she always did when she got in over her head. She called for her brothers, uncles and male cousins to come and fix her dilemma. Jim sent his family to safety with friends who owned a place on the Gulf of Mexico and stayed to negotiate. But Juanita was sure she could force the issue and insisted that her menfolk hunt the man she now saw as her seducer. And this is where the second movie starts.
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Post by Apple on Jun 11, 2011 10:09:08 GMT -8
These are intriguing bites of stories...WHERE ARE THEY?! Yesterday I was cleaning out a corner of the dining room where we have been hanging bookbags, purses and totes during the school year. I found my writing tote with my notes for the oil story I had started several years ago. I am trying to find my muse, figure out if I should start over, something to get this story out of my head and into your view. I have missed writing so much over the past few years.
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Post by Artiespet on Jun 11, 2011 14:38:19 GMT -8
These are intriguing bites of stories...WHERE ARE THEY?! Yesterday I was cleaning out a corner of the dining room where we have been hanging bookbags, purses and totes during the school year. I found my writing tote with my notes for the oil story I had started several years ago. I am trying to find my muse, figure out if I should start over, something to get this story out of my head and into your view. I have missed writing so much over the past few years. I do not care what it takes to get that story out of you (including bamboo shoots under the fingernails ) I just WANT that story!!!! ;D
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Post by Apple on Jun 18, 2011 9:18:46 GMT -8
I love you Pettie, and would do anything to get the story to you, but it just isn't happening very quickly. I keep thinking on it, with your whip in my mind
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Post by lilyfortune on Jun 21, 2011 10:44:56 GMT -8
Oh yes!!! In a WWW world I would create Artie and Lily would be married eventually. I always imagined that they would always stay in touch and sometime after their careers were winding down they would each realize that they couldn't be happy without each other (maybe something would happen that would be the tipping point to make them see if they didn't act they would lose each other). Not too far down the road though because I saw children in their future too. I love the future Piper envisioned for them, that's pretty much on the money for me.
I can't see anyone for Artie but Lily, yes, I'm biased, I can't help it ;D
ARTIE <3 LILY
Jim on the other hand I have trouble picturing in a domestic situation, something drastic would have to happen IMO to get him to settle down but it would be nice for him to have a special someone, he's earned it. Maybe Artie & Lily would fix him up with a special lady?
I absolutely hated the futures the writers of the movies had for them, Artie was miserable and Jim was very unJim-like living with a harem in Mexico as I remember........not pleasant to think about for me. It made them both look like they had hit the skids and I didn't think any of that made sense.
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Post by Silver on Jun 27, 2011 8:12:07 GMT -8
Say, guys... I see a nice plot bunny nibbling around this thread. Someone should write an explanation for the situation in the movies - Remember Artie said Jim had done something to him that really made him mad. So maybe we need a story that explains what it was that not only broke up the friendship but drove them both out of the Secret Service. I would say it was remorse for what he'd done that drove Jim to such a change of lifestyle and lapse in his physcial conditioning.
Don't look at me, though. Aside from having so many irons in the fire already (how's that for a Western analogy?) I don't much want to write something that has to be depressing, and I prefer writing them in the same time span as the show. I'm an old canon softy, which is one reason I dislike the movies so much. I don't think of them as canon, frankly.
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Post by California gal on Jun 27, 2011 12:53:06 GMT -8
I couldn't write such a story. If I did have them break up, it would be temporary, or as part of a plan to fool someone (which I think I did write about somewhere). Plus I'm big on canon too--the canon that's in the first 104 episodes!
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Post by lilyfortune on Jun 28, 2011 8:58:57 GMT -8
I'm a pure canon girl too and I consider the movies anti-canon where Jim & Artie's friendship is concerned. I just can't get my head around anything Jim would or could do to Artie to break up their friendship, and if something was to happen I can't imagine Jim not trying to make it right. He just wouldn't be cruel to Artie unless it was part of a ruse as Cal Gal said, some sort of life-or-death situation where Jim was forced to do something hurtful to Artie. And even in that case it would be resolved, they wouldn't just say "I'm done with you" and part ways. Their friendship is much too strong and important to both of them.
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Post by California gal on Jun 28, 2011 10:48:02 GMT -8
You know, in the 70s, spoof movies were big. That could have prompted the idea for the "plot" of the first movie at least. Then presumably it was a success so they tried a second.
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Post by Silver on Jun 28, 2011 11:35:46 GMT -8
I really have to agree with you all. I cannot see either of them allowing something to break them up without a fierce, practically life and death, struggle to protect their friendship. If they were both alive and sane, they would find a way to work it out. And of course, the whole concept of Artie not even actually remembering what it was he got mad about... ridiculous. Cal gal, that 'spoof' idea makes a lot of sense - something which the 70's didn't do very often!
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Post by Double Take on Jun 28, 2011 14:59:03 GMT -8
That was one of the reason's I hated the first movie and still have never suffered through the second!
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Post by snish on Jun 28, 2011 15:30:47 GMT -8
I agree, I don't regard the TV movies as canon. They're not part of my WWW story universe!
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