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Post by California gal on Mar 31, 2010 8:20:54 GMT -8
I was doing some net surfing and came across this charming little film from 1906: www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbWtviN4BG0The Gordon tartan is about 1 minute in. Here's a version of the tartan from Wikipedia. I saw another tartan that was also called the Gordon plaid elsewhere--completely different colors--but can't find it right now. Will post it if I find it. Resembles Black Watch plaid, which was so popular some years ago. Except for Tontine, Artie never references his glorious Scot ancestors! Here's the other tartan. I don't know enough about heraldry to understand why they have two different tartans. The plaid Artie wears in Tontine is definitely neither of these! |
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Post by Apple on Mar 31, 2010 11:39:19 GMT -8
There is a dress Tartan and a 'casual' Tartan, I believe. Red was talking about this a while back...she owes us a kilt story too!
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Post by rielle on Mar 31, 2010 12:31:51 GMT -8
Okay, I was doing some clan badge and tartan checking around for a different story for a different fandom and found a good handful of differing Gordon tartans. Stewart also has at least three tartans and so do some other clans. I'm gonna go back and check those sites again and let y'all know what I found or try to put the links here.
Some of the differences in clan badges and family crests seem to be about whether that branch of the family has it's main roots in Scotland, England, Wales, Ireland and so forth. But that's not explaining the different tartans... hmmmm... get back t' y'all on this one.
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Post by rielle on Mar 31, 2010 12:46:34 GMT -8
www.tartans.scotland.net/atoz_returns.cfm@startrow=76&letter=G.htmif this link doesn't work just go to Tartans of Scotland and search under 'G', pages 6 and 7 okay, after one very quick search, this site shows 15-16 Gordon tartan samples with some interesting explanations of the differences. I have a feeling there are even more to be found. But, that being said, the tweed jacket Artie's wearing through most of Tontine isn't actually any tartan. It's a lovely, thick Scots wool tweed with a far more subtle plaid woven into it. Traditionally a good Scot like 'MacGordon' would wear a kilt in whatever tartan his branch of the family laid claim to, and for formal occasions, a ... don't know the right word, a length of the same tartan thrown over one shoulder and pinned there with a clan badge. For very formal they'd wear a formal suit jacket over a fancy white shirt over the kilt and the ... shoulder thingy over the jacket. ... Rielle....going back to unpacking now...  just me, tryin' to be helpful.
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Post by California gal on Mar 31, 2010 13:03:15 GMT -8
I saw that Tartans of Scotland site when I was idly surfing. Didn't take time to investigate it yet. There's lots of info out there, that's for sure. And one never knows when a plot bunny is going to pop up. I got an idea during my surfing but have to do more research on it. Also have to finish a couple other stores or three or four before I start a(nother) new one.  (And it's not about kilts or what's under or not under them!  ) |
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Post by Paradox Eyes on Mar 31, 2010 15:41:49 GMT -8
My husband belongs to the Lamont Clan and he has a full dress suit with the kilt and all. From what I understand most clans have "ancient" and "modern" tartans. I believe the weave is the same but the shades of the colors are lighter in the ancient and darker in the modern.  |
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Post by Artiespet on Apr 1, 2010 9:21:15 GMT -8
What I've read in my research said that the reason a Clan may have more than one tartan is because they each have a different use. In some cases "Hunting" colors which were more muted as camouflage for hill-walking hunting and shootin. "Dress" setts had brighter colors, with more white to be more "showy". There are also "Ancient" and "Modern" tartans, the latter being made from more modern (and brighter) aniline dyes which were longer lasting.
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Post by California gal on Apr 1, 2010 10:22:51 GMT -8
That makes sense, that they wouldn't want to go in the woods hunting wearing a mainly bright red tartan! (And they probably didn't have to worry about crazy deer hunters in the vicinity!)
Here's something else rather interesting. It's probably somewhere on the 'net now, but I've had this little paperback book for years and years--since before home computers and the Internet (if anyone can remember back that far!) It contains thousands of surnames and some information about those names. I often use it to find names to use in my writing. Anyway, here's what it says about Gordon:
GORDON (Scot.) Root word Goirtean (Gael.) Small field of grain; root word Gor-din (Celt.) Large hill fortress. Shield: blue background, three gold boar heads with red tongues. Motto: Animo non astutia (By courage, not by strategy.)
The shield shown on the Wikipedia page does not match that description, but I have no doubt that a little research would turn up the one described! Not sure if that motto exactly fits Artie either. We know he has unusual courage (even Pharah says so), but he does prefer to use strategy!
Here's the one for West:
WEST (Eng.) root word West (Old English) Man from the west. Shield: Silver background, a dancettée-edged black cross stripe.
Definitely a "man from the west"! I'm not sure what "dancettée-edged" means. The illustrations in the book referred to several versions of lines: jagged, diagonal, vertical, or horizontal.
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Post by Apple on Apr 1, 2010 17:24:25 GMT -8
He is courageous in his use of strategy! And Pet, I forgot about the hunting tartan! Where is Red with that Kilt story?!
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Post by nwheaton on Apr 1, 2010 17:29:58 GMT -8
Mine's Clan Stewart on Daddy's and Clan McDonald on Momma's. Time to get the Angels drooling. Think of Artie in a kilt. Nothing sexier than a man in a kilt. Course I'm a little biased with all the Scottish blood running through my veins.
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Post by nwheaton on Apr 1, 2010 17:32:35 GMT -8
Okay, I was doing some clan badge and tartan checking around for a different story for a different fandom and found a good handful of differing Gordon tartans. Stewart also has at least three tartans and so do some other clans. I'm gonna go back and check those sites again and let y'all know what I found or try to put the links here. Some of the differences in clan badges and family crests seem to be about whether that branch of the family has it's main roots in Scotland, England, Wales, Ireland and so forth. But that's not explaining the different tartans... hmmmm... get back t' y'all on this one. The reason Stewart has three is because only two is supposed to be worn by the general population. The Royal Stewart can only be worn by the Royals and members of their family. There are several books on the protocols of wearing the tartan. |
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Post by nwheaton on Apr 1, 2010 17:45:38 GMT -8
www.tartans.scotland.net/atoz_returns.cfm@startrow=76&letter=G.htmif this link doesn't work just go to Tartans of Scotland and search under 'G', pages 6 and 7 okay, after one very quick search, this site shows 15-16 Gordon tartan samples with some interesting explanations of the differences. I have a feeling there are even more to be found. But, that being said, the tweed jacket Artie's wearing through most of Tontine isn't actually any tartan. It's a lovely, thick Scots wool tweed with a far more subtle plaid woven into it. Traditionally a good Scot like 'MacGordon' would wear a kilt in whatever tartan his branch of the family laid claim to, and for formal occasions, a ... don't know the right word, a length of the same tartan thrown over one shoulder and pinned there with a clan badge. For very formal they'd wear a formal suit jacket over a fancy white shirt over the kilt and the ... shoulder thingy over the jacket. ... Rielle....going back to unpacking now... just me, tryin' to be helpful. The length of tartan pinned at the shoulder is called a plaid. Depending on the marital status, I believe, depends on which shoulder it is pinned. I believe it's about 6 or 7 feet long. You want to see an impressive picture look up a picture of the Queen's pipe band in full military dress. Now that will get the heart pumpin', but I'm just biased. I love to hear the pipes. Especially Amazing Grace on the pipes. Scottish wool is very expensive, but nice. It's got a name besides Scottish wool, but I can't remember what it's called. |
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Post by SpottedPony on Apr 2, 2010 6:00:37 GMT -8
I believe the whole business, the kilt and the part that goes over the shoulder is called the plaid. It's a one piece deal a couple of yards wide and several yards long. I forget the domentions. It's a kind of all in one multi use garment. Kilt, coat and sleeping bag all in one. When getting dressed in the morning, after using the material as a blanket or sleeping bag, the man would lay out his belt and arrange the pladie over it in pleats, then lay down on it and buckle the belt. After making some adjustments, he'd then adjust the rest of the materal over his shoulder, or around his shoulders if it were cold.
On my Mother's side, I'm decendent from clan Donald and clan Crawford. William Wallace's mother was a Crawford.
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Post by Paradox Eyes on Apr 2, 2010 15:51:25 GMT -8
Mine's Clan Stewart on Daddy's and Clan McDonald on Momma's. Time to get the Angels drooling. Think of Artie in a kilt. Nothing sexier than a man in a kilt. Course I'm a little biased with all the Scottish blood running through my veins. Couldn't agree with you more nwheaton!  |
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Post by MissRedhead on Apr 6, 2010 13:31:18 GMT -8
oh you remember that huh  I'm a MacGraw, who are related to the MacRae's so I wear the MacRae tartans. Personally I am quite fond of the hunting tartan myself, as I say I am always on the hunt! ;D One of my favorite sites to go window shopping: www.scottishlion.com/one day I am gonna own AND WEAR the Hostess Tartan Kilted Skirt  Yes, I do wear my tartan sash and tam as often as I can in public 
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Post by California gal on Apr 6, 2010 14:28:40 GMT -8
<sigh> My only claim to ancestral fame is being descended from Norwegian royalty. (Oh, you don't have to bow! ;D )
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Yes, I do wear my tartan sash and tam as often as I can in public 