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Post by LuckyLadybug on Nov 3, 2012 2:55:17 GMT -8
So ... regarding the 1999 movie that everyone hates. I've heard negative things about it from almost everyone, I personally hate when TV shows are made into movies, most of the time, and I've even read the detailed summary of the whole thing at Wikipedia. But ... in spite of all that, and against my better judgment, I still want to see the thing.
So, my question to all of you is, does it have any redeeming points at all? I hear plenty about the bad, and am appalled myself by some of it (most particularly Jim cross-dressing, no matter the reason. He would never!), but I'd like to hear if there's anything good. And if there's any reason to justify watching it.
My curiosity has got me into bad trouble more than once, causing me to see and hear plenty of things I would rather have remained oblivious about, and I know watching that film would probably be a big one on that list, but being aware of the brain-breaking content does nothing to deter me. Maybe that means I would actually like the film. On the other hand, being aware of things and actually seeing them are two different matters. I might require brain bleach after watching it.
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Post by arabella on Nov 3, 2012 5:20:18 GMT -8
We often call it The Abomination.  If you're willing to give up 2 hours of your life for very little return, go ahead. I watched it when it first came out because I'm one of those people who just has to know. The only good thing I can say about it is that the costumes and sets are gorgeous. The train looks fabulous. I wish they'd had some of that money to use on the series! The plot stinks, the villain is lame, the two characters are completely different from the originals and not the least bit appealing, and they have no chemistry together. I have been unable to enjoy Kevin Kline in any role since then, and I liked him fairly well before that. |
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Post by Nydiva on Nov 3, 2012 6:55:20 GMT -8
I might require brain bleach after watching it. There's no "might" - you'll require repeated doses!! Aside from lousy script, zero chemistry, etc., what really pisses me off about the whole debacle is that I KNOW Kevin Kline could have done a whole heck of a lot better. I used to know him (many, many years ago). A few years back, I saw him do an excellent Cyrano on Broadway but purposely DIDN'T wait around afterwards to renew acquaintance. I knew I'd be too tempted to scold him (the mildest term I can think of) for the lackluster and LAZY performance he gave as Artemus! Oh - by funny coincidence, the setting for Kevin's first Broadway role took place on a train! |
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Post by Apple on Nov 3, 2012 7:55:57 GMT -8
If you go into it thinking this is not WWW, you might be ok. But with all of the similiarities of names...it will be horrible.
My daughter asked me which movie she first went to the drive in to see...she was just a few days old and went with us to see WWW. I hated it. I hadn't seen the real thing since 1984 and it hurt me to not see Ross and Robert.
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Post by MissRedhead on Nov 3, 2012 7:59:55 GMT -8
Um I like the music... I listen to the sound track. But Apple's right, you can NOT go into it thinking of it as WWW. If there was some chemistry between the characters is might have be bearable...
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Post by apollo on Nov 3, 2012 10:27:47 GMT -8
Watch it, make your own judgement and have your own opinions. Then you will know, instead of speculating and asking others for theirs. I'd say ask after watching it, hey what did you think of that piece of.... Before I go see any movie I never read, listen or watch any reviews because I don't want to be biased by others opinions, I'd like to be fair to the movie and to myself, I hate spoilers or any hint of anything of what the movie is about. Sometimes the trailers give too much away.  But that's me.  Try to enjoy it, if you don't then you don't. ;D And yes I have an opinion about the movie that must not be named.....but I reserve myself and try to remember that saying about 'if you have nothing ni....... well you get it. ;D |
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Post by rielle on Nov 4, 2012 22:44:27 GMT -8
I have one major problem with this ... production -- that must not be named... and that's their 'concept' if you can call it that, of the character they call whatever whatever Loveless. I can only thank G-d in His Heaven they DIDN'T name him Miguelito Loveless.
It was grotesque to me that with all the 'little people' actors we can all name in Hollywood, at that time and now, the producers went with a Kenneth Branaugh, [an actor I truly admire] and some equally grotesque special effects to make him ... whatever the heck he was supposed to be. Shame on the producers for that, I say. To say it was a slap in the face to Michael Dunn and all 'little people' in Hollywood and on Broadway and in all media - is a huge understatement.
No, actually I have two major problems: and the second may be even more important if not as 'political' --- the writing on this film is so horrendous
that you can't really make heads or tails of what's going on most of the time.
I have one lesser problem as well: [maybe more than one but just for now] Kevin Kline supposedly playing Artie, supposedly impersonating Ulysses S. Grant! Obviously we all know Ross did this three times in the series - Steel Assassin, The Colonels Ghost? and Deathmakers --- but Kline as Grant shows up at the beginning and then at the end and both times he's about as believable in that role as ... yes, Branaugh as Loveless, in other words, NOT. Its a joke both times. A stupid joke, both times.
Oh wait, the whole movie is a stupid joke, yeah... got it.
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Post by LuckyLadybug on Nov 5, 2012 0:55:22 GMT -8
Yes, I actually have a "headcanon" for the film and say that the Loveless they met is a relative of our Dr. Loveless, and they have yet to meet that Dr. Loveless, but will, because Miguelito must be part of any WWW canon!
LOL. Yes, the movie certainly sounds like a stupid joke, from everything I've heard and know about it.
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Post by SordoTheBandit on Nov 5, 2012 9:04:49 GMT -8
I remember all the hype right before it came out. Will Smith was on Oprah (of course) and all of the audience wore cowboy hats, they showed film clips from it, it was blasphemous, it was a joke and it made me sick. I actually did watch it when it was shown on TV and it made me angry, the only similarity between the original show and the movie was the western theme. Both actors were disgusting.
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Post by rielle on Nov 5, 2012 9:19:11 GMT -8
Yes, I actually have a "headcanon" for the film and say that the Loveless they met is a relative of our Dr. Loveless, and they have yet to meet that Dr. Loveless, but will, because Miguelito must be part of any WWW canon! LOL. Yes, the movie certainly sounds like a stupid joke, from everything I've heard and know about it. well if that's what they said about Branaugh's character - it still makes me sick in so many ways that they got so deliberately gross --- with his character and so many other parts of the ... film. |
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Post by Apple on Nov 5, 2012 11:14:43 GMT -8
I remember reading that Alan Alda went to the premiere and later told Olavee Martin that he was sorry about what these people did to her husband's role...
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Post by LuckyLadybug on Nov 5, 2012 11:28:41 GMT -8
Rielle: Oh, they certainly never said the Loveless in the movie was a relative of Miguelito. As I mentioned, that's just something I came up with. It was in rebellion of him apparently meant to be "the" Loveless.  If I ever watch the movie, I already know I'll have to skip the very first scene. What happened there is one of my personal squicks and I wouldn't be able to tolerate that. Apple: That is awesome of Alan Alda! |
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Post by arabella on Nov 5, 2012 12:29:13 GMT -8
The movie Loveless's name was Arliss Loveless, I think. They weren't claiming that he was Miguelito, at least.
The first scene that I remember was Jim in a hot tub. Which, with the original Jim, could have gone over quite well. I'm guessing that's probably not what squicks Ladybug though...
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Post by Nydiva on Nov 5, 2012 12:54:38 GMT -8
I had to look up "squicks" (though I did get the gist). I guess I'm headed for Old Fogeyville; I hadn't realized the term had been in use for so long! |
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Post by California gal on Nov 5, 2012 13:30:48 GMT -8
When I first heard a movie was going to be made, I thought it was a wonderful idea. I read that Will Smith was going to play the lead, I thought... well... he's good in action movies. But then the more I heard about it the more disappointed I became. I've never watched it, only seen brief scenes or stills. That's all I needed to know I wasn't interested.
I really believe most of the people who actually like it are those who never saw the original. To them it's just another movie.
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Post by LuckyLadybug on Nov 6, 2012 1:42:00 GMT -8
From what I was reading, the very first scene involves decapitation. Uggggh.
CalGal: Yeah, you're very likely right about where most of the fanbase comes from.
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Post by Aunt Maud on Nov 6, 2012 7:40:09 GMT -8
LadyBug, I cannot wait until you see the film yourself and feed us back on your own impressions... The first time I heard of the 'remake' (ah, ah... yeah... Sure!) my cousin told me of a Black Jim West! And I went went... "Ok, cos'...Hum whatever you're on, I'm not sure I WANT ANY, thanks!" No racism on my part here, far from it! That bit of the plot - escapee kid-slave, raised by First Nation people...- is the only bit which makes sense... And of course, Smith is a very good looking dish-y kind of guy! (And the scene in the water tower would have me going for a while, in any other movie!!! Fancy that for a romantic shinny dip?  ;D) Don't get me wrong, I did not like the film, not one bit...the decapitation is gross, but not compared with what they have Kline do as/to "Artemus" !!!! That made me sick!  Come on... Ross Martin had 'evolved' the character from the quite shadowy individual of the pilot, to this suave, warm near-genius, and multi-talented, equal partner to Jim West, and MArtin did that with the savoir-faire and grace that are respected by all fans, and get the Angels to swooning, having that trashed, reduced to a 'mad-scientist' with no humanity, respect or empathy whatsoever.... has made my blood boil for ... probably ever! |
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Post by Apple on Nov 17, 2012 4:34:31 GMT -8
Sitting in the drive-in I wanted to scream out to the audience, "This is NOT the real Wild Wild West! This is garbage!" But, with a newborn beside me and a husband who doesn't really tolerate scenes like that, I didn't. ;D
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Post by apollo on Nov 18, 2012 11:45:43 GMT -8
I tried watching "IT" again and you know what Apple? You're nice when you say "garbage" I have a different description for ya. But instead of being around newborns, I'm in the company of sophisticated adults here, I shall refrain from being a lowly vulgar barbarian with some of my descriptive words about how I feel towards this "ahem" movie?! I couldn't watch it again. I shot the DVD with my shotgun, well my friends shotgun! ;D PULL! BOOM! |
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Post by Double Take on Nov 18, 2012 16:19:00 GMT -8
I tried watching "IT" again and you know what Apple? You're nice when you say "garbage" I have a different description for ya. But instead of being around newborns, I'm in the company of sophisticated adults here, I shall refrain from being a lowly vulgar barbarian with some of my descriptive words about how I feel towards this "ahem" movie?! I couldn't watch it again. I shot the DVD with my shotgun, well my friends shotgun! ;D PULL! BOOM!Very satisfying, I am sure! |
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Post by apollo on Nov 18, 2012 16:46:37 GMT -8
I tried watching "IT" again and you know what Apple? You're nice when you say "garbage" I have a different description for ya. But instead of being around newborns, I'm in the company of sophisticated adults here, I shall refrain from being a lowly vulgar barbarian with some of my descriptive words about how I feel towards this "ahem" movie?! I couldn't watch it again. I shot the DVD with my shotgun, well my friends shotgun! ;D PULL! BOOM!Very satisfying, I am sure! Bawahahahahahaha!! Yup!! ;D |
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Post by arabella on Nov 19, 2012 5:12:59 GMT -8
I tried watching "IT" again and you know what Apple? You're nice when you say "garbage" I have a different description for ya. But instead of being around newborns, I'm in the company of sophisticated adults here, I shall refrain from being a lowly vulgar barbarian with some of my descriptive words about how I feel towards this "ahem" movie?! I couldn't watch it again. I shot the DVD with my shotgun, well my friends shotgun! ;D PULL! BOOM!Seriously? LOL! Sorry you spent money on the DVD though. Incidentally, Apollo, I do enjoy seeing Jamie Bamber's lovely face on your avatar.  |
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Post by apollo on Nov 19, 2012 16:01:50 GMT -8
Ah well it was my friends DVD that was given to him, his words about the movie "IT SUCKED!!" So the only thing I had to pay for was the one shot gun cartridge used to shoot the stupid disgusting thing! ;D Thanks Arabella I do like the 2004-2009 Battlestar Gallactica Series and I really liked the character of Apollo. ;D Yeah he's ok, but guys aren't supposed to notice stuff like that. Now Starbuck and Boomer! ;D  |
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Post by California gal on Nov 19, 2012 16:17:40 GMT -8
I agree! Starbuck and Boomer... and Apollo... from the original series (Dirk Benedict, Herb Jefferson Jr., and Richard Hatch, respectively). ;D |
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Post by arabella on Nov 20, 2012 5:23:48 GMT -8
This is an interesting (to me) and potentially touchy subject. It was purely my personal reaction and I expect other people felt differently, but while I objected strongly to the changes to "Jim West" for the movie, I found that the changes to Starbuck and Boomer of Battlestar Galactica didn't bother me at all. (Starbuck became a feisty female in the new series, and Boomer went from being a black man to an Asian woman.)
So call me a hypocrite. It's just that I wasn't as attached to the original BG. I enjoyed the series and then forgot it. (Besides, I never liked the original Starbuck, thought he was too stuck on himself.) It was easier for me to think of new BG as a completely different universe not related to the original. I just couldn't do that with WWW.
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Post by California gal on Nov 20, 2012 8:00:06 GMT -8
I loved the original BG and so I was highly annoyed when the new one decided to change genders. I just don't get that. Why not simply introduce new characters if they have to have more females? My bias is such that I never watched the new version (and probably deprived myself!). |
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Post by rielle on Nov 20, 2012 12:56:01 GMT -8
as far as BG - the original version never attracted me, the only good thing I thought they had was Lorne Greene, and of course he could make a silk purse out of ... the proverbial.
So when I came across the newer version, I was fine with the gender changes and the darker, more post modern, less-'shiny new Star Wars' type mood to the series. I recommend it, when BBC America runs it again, which I'm sure they will, because they have a very good ensemble cast and imo, some interesting twists away from the original.
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Post by apollo on Nov 20, 2012 16:00:01 GMT -8
I still really love the original Battlestar, I wouldn't change anything they did except one thing Starbuck in the original was a little too stuck on himself, I still liked him a lot but Arabella has a point. I enjoyed all the original characters and actors. I had thought I would be attached to the original because I grew up watching it. But.... I view the new Battlestar as an alternative version or interpretation. I have no problem with how they changed genders or ethnicity doesn't bother me one bit. And it doesn't change any meaning to me or story. I love both interpretations of the story. Maybe another way I can explain how I feel about this topic. I can view them as separate realities or different universes which I love both. ;D It's Sci Fi right! ;D I think everyone expressed good points and opinions about Battlestar Gallatica, I have no problems there. Battlestar just coming out after Star Wars I think they did an excellent job on the special effects for the time period. But of coarse as time went on and the new BG was created they have better special effects which I love. I also enjoyed both music scores. So as I see it, I have two time periods, two styles and interpretations to enjoy. ;D Btw I liked how they brought in the old toasters into the story! ;D  |
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If you're willing to give up 2 hours of your life for very little return, go ahead. I watched it when it first came out because I'm one of those people who just has to know. 
;D) 
Come on... Ross Martin had 'evolved' the character from the quite shadowy individual of the pilot, to this suave, warm near-genius, and multi-talented, equal partner to Jim West, and MArtin did that with the savoir-faire and grace that are respected by all fans, and get the Angels to swooning, having that trashed, reduced to a 'mad-scientist' with no humanity, respect or empathy whatsoever.... has made my blood boil for ... probably ever! 
