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Post by missgordon on Jan 14, 2013 17:51:44 GMT -8
I recently read Cangey's book--all of you know him as one of RC's regular stuntman. By mere accident I ended up speaking with Cangey's nephew when i tried to order the book. When i asked him what scenes his uncle was in--he laughed and had no idea. With the footage we have already of stunts, does anyone want to try to identify the main crew of stuntmen?
Whitey Hughes, Cangey, red west, bob herron, jimmy george. I think I'm missing some. I understood when they got together with RC for their 25th anniversary and watched their stunts--they didn't know either!! Anyway this might not be for everyone but I love the stunt guys. They never got the credit but made the show!!!
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Post by arabella on Jan 14, 2013 18:06:35 GMT -8
"Spot the Stuntman" is one of my favorite games. Once you recognize a stuntman in one scene, it gets pretty easy to pick him out in others. Whitey was the short skinny guy who frequently ends up flying through the air. He was the one-eyed guy who answered the door in Burning Diamond. (Also, if you see a woman on a runaway horse or in some other peril, that's actually Whitey in drag!) Cangey was not quite as short, and he was stocky. Someone can probably name a scene where he got a line--offhand I can't. Red West is easy--the hair. Bob Herron doubled as Artie, and I think he played the bartender in the Pie Plate clip Ace posted in the other thread. And Tygo in Skulls.
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Post by California gal on Jan 14, 2013 18:31:44 GMT -8
A famous stunt guy appeared in a couple of episodes, performing stunts in one, "acting" in the other. His name was Dale Van Sickel and he was a very well known stuntman in the 30s through the 70s.
According to IMDb he performed stunts in Inferno, and was one of the guitar players in Deadly Bed. I have several old serials from the 30s and 40s in which he appeared and he was super.
He was also the first president of the Motion Picture Stuntman's Association, as well as a founding member.
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Post by missgordon on Jan 14, 2013 19:25:43 GMT -8
That's news to me. Very cool. How did you learn that? he does not look familiar to me. i have to look it up. Any pics of him on WWW already on this site? I looked him up thinking he died of old age but--ugh! car crash at 69 doing a stunt!
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Jan 14, 2013 20:18:58 GMT -8
Dick Cangey was the delivery man in the tag of Green Terror, the guy who gets freaked out when Artie tries to karate chop the wooden box. He's also Moke in Turncoat.
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Post by missgordon on Jan 14, 2013 20:45:39 GMT -8
thanks niecie. i'll look for it!!
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Post by missgordon on Jan 23, 2013 10:27:00 GMT -8
An odd case in "The Night of the Avaricious Actuary." Ross Martin was injured while filming a fight sequence and a substitute was therefore used to play Artie in the immediately preceding dialogue scene. The new actor's face and voice are very prominently displayed in said scene (in fact, he's the image for the act-ending freeze-frame/dissolve to drawing), making it obvious that he is not Ross Martin. Understandable confusion results for some in the viewing audience.
Who is this RM double and can anyone find this pic they are referring to above?and would be kind enough to post it? thanks!!!
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Post by LuckyLadybug on Jan 23, 2013 10:56:00 GMT -8
I remember reading about that. I don't have any pictures from the episode, however. Season 4 is the one season I don't have on DVD, and I didn't take pictures from the Actuary when I had that disc out from NetFlix.
Whitey also appeared in The Sudden Plague, I think. (Someone spotted him there, right?) And I was thinking he was the gang member whom Coley actually called Whitey.
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Post by missgordon on Jan 23, 2013 13:47:02 GMT -8
I remember reading about that. I don't have any pictures from the episode, however. Season 4 is the one season I don't have on DVD, and I didn't take pictures from the Actuary when I had that disc out from NetFlix. Whitey also appeared in The Sudden Plague, I think. (Someone spotted him there, right?) And I was thinking he was the gang member whom Coley actually called Whitey. thanks for checking. it would be interesting to see. when i looked once it happened so quickly i really did not take notice but apparently in a still shot I bet it would be obvious. in fact i wonder if it's already posted here somewhere? I think it was bob herron that covered for rm after he broke his leg but I just can't see it. |
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Post by Nydiva on Jan 23, 2013 19:12:54 GMT -8
An odd case in "The Night of the Avaricious Actuary." Ross Martin was injured while filming a fight sequence and a substitute was therefore used to play Artie in the immediately preceding dialogue scene. The new actor's face and voice are very prominently displayed in said scene (in fact, he's the image for the act-ending freeze-frame/dissolve to drawing), making it obvious that he is not Ross Martin. Understandable confusion results for some in the viewing audience. Who is this RM double and can anyone find this pic they are referring to above?and would be kind enough to post it? thanks!!! I THINK (and I'm NO expert) that Ross's last second replacement (they were peeling off his facial prosthetics as he was carried away!!!) was Bob Herron, who frequently doubled for Ross. I remember seeing the pic you are talking about, but it would take me way too long to find it. |
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Post by Apple on Jan 23, 2013 19:53:12 GMT -8
I asked Sue Kessler if that was Bob Herron, and she said that it was not.
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Post by Apple on Jan 23, 2013 19:55:16 GMT -8
Cangey was one of the two singers in an Arte-less ep (which one?  ). He and Red West are singing Buffalo Gals and RC joins them. Cang says, "Hey you're a pretty good singer..." and then a fight ensues. It was just on Me TV on Monday, but I can't remember which one it was. |
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Post by Apple on Jan 23, 2013 19:57:49 GMT -8
I can always pick out Cangey. I make a game of it. Bob Herron too, he's easy to spot as Artemus usually. Today we were watching the episode with the Russian camp and Arte was disguised as a priest. Herron did the fight scene. My girls were cheering Arte on with me, and then I let the hammer drop with "That's not Ross." LOL!
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Post by missgordon on Jan 23, 2013 20:06:20 GMT -8
Cangey was one of the two singers in an Arte-less ep (which one? ). He and Red West are singing Buffalo Gals and RC joins them. Cang says, "Hey you're a pretty good singer..." and then a fight ensues. It was just on Me TV on Monday, but I can't remember which one it was. tahnks i'm not good at recognizing them but i think that tycoons?? am i right on that? i always wondered who those 2 were!! thansk |
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Post by missgordon on Jan 23, 2013 20:08:18 GMT -8
I asked Sue Kessler if that was Bob Herron, and she said that it was not. so who was it then? anyone? does sue k who it was? |
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Post by Nydiva on Jan 23, 2013 20:35:31 GMT -8
I asked Sue Kessler if that was Bob Herron, and she said that it was not. I'd go with Sue; she's the expert. Though I KNOW I'm not crazy (about the guess anyway). The incident as described in Dick Cangey's book says Bob Herron did the subbing. I just looked it up. So if I'm wrong (more often than not), so was he! |
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Post by missgordon on Jan 23, 2013 21:40:41 GMT -8
I asked Sue Kessler if that was Bob Herron, and she said that it was not. I'd go with Sue; she's the expert. Though I KNOW I'm not crazy (about the guess anyway). The incident as described in Dick Cangey's book says Bob Herron did the subbing. I just looked it up. So if I'm wrong (more often than not), so was he! know if sue mentions this in her book? i thought it was bob herron too! |
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Post by jtw7 on Jan 23, 2013 22:39:03 GMT -8
Cangey was one of the two singers in an Arte-less ep (which one? ). He and Red West are singing Buffalo Gals and RC joins them. Cang says, "Hey you're a pretty good singer..." and then a fight ensues. It was just on Me TV on Monday, but I can't remember which one it was. Oh hey ladies! That was me singing "Buffalo Gals" with Red and Cang in TNOT Diva and I do sing pretty good if I may say so. ;D  |
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Jan 24, 2013 6:22:28 GMT -8
An odd case in "The Night of the Avaricious Actuary." Ross Martin was injured while filming a fight sequence and a substitute was therefore used to play Artie in the immediately preceding dialogue scene. The new actor's face and voice are very prominently displayed in said scene (in fact, he's the image for the act-ending freeze-frame/dissolve to drawing), making it obvious that he is not Ross Martin. Understandable confusion results for some in the viewing audience. Who is this RM double and can anyone find this pic they are referring to above?and would be kind enough to post it? thanks!!! Oy, but Photobucket has been a bear to use lately! All right, these are two shots from the end of Act 3 where the fake Artie shows up:   And here are two shots from the fight scene. Is that Ross or the substitute?   And finally this is from after the fight. I'm assuming this is in fact Ross, since he talks and sounds like himself:  |
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Post by Nydiva on Jan 24, 2013 9:29:09 GMT -8
The top one from the "fight scene" MIGHT be Ross; the bottom one most likely not (to my eyes).
Of course the very bottom pic is unmistakeably that brown-eyed cutie with the initials of RM.
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Post by jtcooper on Jan 24, 2013 10:09:05 GMT -8
I've only seen one picture of Bob Herron as himself... it was posted on fb I think.. and considering he's in his late 80s he looks very good.
But, that being said, I can't tell if he is the one in these pictures from Actuary... I can only tell its not Ross in the first two ... not sure in the third...
so now I'm curiouser than before... does anyone have a picture of Bob Herron out of costume - around the time the show was on air... to compare?
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Post by arabella on Jan 24, 2013 11:24:56 GMT -8
My guess, the first two are the unknown actor who filled in for RM in the dialogue scene. We've discussed this quite a bit, and no one has had a clue about how he was. He's obviously not RM, and it's pretty certain he's not Bob Herron either. You can see Bob Herron as Tycho in Skulls, and he also played the bartender in... I think Pie Plate? A clip was posted recently.
Photos 3 and 4 are Bob Herron taking the punches, I think, although photo 3 does look like RM. It's just that Bob H. always did the rough stuff. If you see Artie getting knocked down, that's generally not RM. The 5th photo is RM finishing the scene--quite confusing because it must have been filmed first, before the shooting gallery scene where he got hurt.
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Post by Apple on Jan 24, 2013 12:35:46 GMT -8
I asked Sue Kessler if that was Bob Herron, and she said that it was not. I'd go with Sue; she's the expert. Though I KNOW I'm not crazy (about the guess anyway). The incident as described in Dick Cangey's book says Bob Herron did the subbing. I just looked it up. So if I'm wrong (more often than not), so was he! I believe that Sue and Bob are...an item, as it were. So I think she knows.  Plus, that face just isn't Bob's, too thin. And we've heard his voice before and that isn't his voice...IMO. |
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Jan 24, 2013 12:37:38 GMT -8
According to IMDB, Bob Herron played Capt Jackson in Deadly Bed (Jim's contact who gets blown up at the start of the show and says with his dying gasp, 'Flory'). He also played: - one of Grimm's men, in Red-Eyed Madmen,
- a man at Jones' party, in Grand Emir,
- Borg (one of the fighters in the ring), in Bars of Hell,
- the bartender, in Flying Pie Plate,
- a henchman, in Watery Death,
- Tigo, in Skulls,
- a henchman, in Deadly Bubble, and
- the third-fastest gun, in Surreal McCoy.
He was also listed in Arrow, Headless Woman, Juggernaut, Kraken, and Avaricious Actuary, but without any designation, not even henchman. |
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Jan 24, 2013 13:53:44 GMT -8
Ok, Photobucket's still cooperating, so here are a couple of shots of Bob Herron from Bars of Hell:  and  Yes, he's one of the two henchies who plant the gun device in Jim's bed right at the start. As Artie's preacher said, murdered in their beds. And a shot in color, from Flying Pie Plate -- Bob's in the middle:  |
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Post by Dieter on Jan 24, 2013 15:12:19 GMT -8
Those were some great shots of Bob and the mysterious actor who filled in for Ross in Avaricious Actuary. I heard it was NOT Bob Herron but some unknown who happened to be there at CBS studios so got him last second to take Ross's place when he was injured. Broken leg wasn't it? And yes Sue Kessler and Bob Herron are a couple. I'm not sure how many years now but for quite a while. They had already been seeing each other for many years when I first had lunch with them about 4 years ago.  |
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Post by arabella on Jan 24, 2013 17:43:43 GMT -8
Those were some great shots of Bob and the mysterious actor who filled in for Ross in Avaricious Actuary. I heard it was NOT Bob Herron but some unknown who happened to be there at CBS studios so got him last second to take Ross's place when he was injured. Broken leg wasn't it? And yes Sue Kessler and Bob Herron are a couple. I'm not sure how many years now but for quite a while. They had already been seeing each other for many years when I first had lunch with them about 4 years ago. I don't know when they got together, but they were a couple at the time of the '96 AG. Alas, Bob Herron couldn't attend because he had a job and was on location. |
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Post by nemo on Jan 25, 2013 3:07:26 GMT -8
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Post by jtcooper on Jan 25, 2013 11:08:39 GMT -8
well it seems everyone agrees the first four pictures in that set are not Ross, but what a shame no one knows what stunt man/actor took over as the double, since it doesn't seem to be Bob Herron, either. |
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Post by California gal on Jan 25, 2013 11:51:25 GMT -8
I recall when I got the season 4 DVDs and watched this episode (not remembering it from way back when) I wondered who the heck this gas man was, why he was interjected into the plot, and then especially when he wanted to shoot at the "dummy," I figured Artie would show up any minute. I was shocked when Jim called him Artie. I never had a single doubt that the actor was not Ross Martin. However, I then quickly recognized Ross Martin in the same guise when they left that room to go out where Taney confronted them--so then I wondered why the switch. I can't recall now where I learned the story. Is it in Sue's book?
Can you imagine the confusion back in 1968, when we didn't have the proliferation of every minutiae of information available that we do now?
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). He and Red West are singing Buffalo Gals and RC joins them. Cang says, "Hey you're a pretty good singer..." and then a fight ensues. It was just on Me TV on Monday, but I can't remember which one it was.
Plus, that face just isn't Bob's, too thin. And we've heard his voice before and that isn't his voice...IMO.
