zimmerman
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Post by zimmerman on Jun 19, 2012 16:53:04 GMT -8
Well gang, it is just about time for me to head back home after another great long day at the library, but I do want to leave you with something to work on.
We all know that Season 4 was the weakest of the 4 seasons of WWW, so what would you do to make it better? Is there some fanfics that you have written that would have better than some of the stinkers that were approved for filming?
Also, are there any episodes you wish were rewritten and made into a better program? Would the ten Artie-less episodes have been better if Artie was in them, or should they have never been made?
Together, with your help, we could make an outstanding Fantasy Season 4.
I will return here at 4:00 ProBoards time (7:00 Central Time) on Thursday night, so take care, God bless and good night.
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Jun 19, 2012 17:22:02 GMT -8
In Camera, I would have cared a LOT more if it was Artie wagering his life on the outcome of the pool (billiards?) game to keep the bad guy distracted while Jim and Bosley were in the other room.
In Winged Terror (which was scheduled to be filmed in Season 3, but pushed back because of RC's head injury while filming Fugitives), I think it would have been worlds more chilling if it was Artie hypnotized to shoot Jim in the hotel room, rather than Frank Harper.
There's a lot wrong with the final Dr Loveless episode, but having Artie in there would have made it much more tolerable.
No offense meant to Jeremy Pike or Frank Harper. It's just a matter of time. We'd had alllllll those previous episodes to get to know and care about Artie, and know the deep friendship between Jim and Artie. There just wasn't enough time to get to care that much about Pike or Harper, nor did we know how much history there was between either of them and Jim.
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Post by California gal on Jun 19, 2012 17:25:23 GMT -8
Ditto.
I rarely watch any of the Artie-less season 4 episodes.
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Post by dunn on Jun 19, 2012 18:38:16 GMT -8
Fixing season 4?!!! “We could make an outstanding Fantasy Season 4?!!!! What?!! Season 4 is season 4, it’s done, it’s over why waste time speculating on what could have been? I think it’s presumptuous to think that any of us could do better at the time. Unless you are a director, executive, producer and a writer with a filming crew and with actors by the name of Robert Conrad and Ross Martin, I wouldn’t bother speculating on a fantasy season 4. "The Artie-less episodes, would they have been better if Artie were in them?" Not necessarily in real life agents team up with other agents once in a while, and it was nice to see different faces interacting and working with James. Personally I do prefer to see James and Artie work together but realistically it doesn’t happen. Deal with it!! "Should they have never been made?!!!" Are you kidding me?!! Are you insinuating that a stand alone James West episode isn’t worth watching or having been made? Wow! I’d say that was a very big insult to Robert Conrad!!! Don’t forget Zimmerman, James West was the main character portraying along the lines of the idea of James Bond. Artemus Gordon was a support character doing a brilliant acting job on Ross Martin’s part, but he was not the main actor or character. I’m sure there are some fanfics out there that could have been better episode stories but what you are asking is dealing in fantasy, which means you can’t change the past, what’s done is done. Dealing in fantasy speculation only does any good toward constructing a 5th season of WWW and actually producing it. Other than that I wouldn’t waste my time or think I could have done a better job. I wasn’t there at the time and I didn’t know all the problems they were having. I have no fantasy need to re-make season 4. I have better things to think about. I am going to enjoy season 4 the way it is and not deal with, what if’s or how I think it should have gone. It degrades the memory of the show and is insulting to the actors.
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Post by California gal on Jun 19, 2012 19:21:27 GMT -8
Actually, it's more of a compliment for Ross Martin than an insult to Robert Conrad. Most of the reviews of the show on IMDB mention the chemistry between the two leads and how it drives the show. That spark was lost in the season 4 episodes without Artie. Perhaps if TPTB had chosen one substitute partner and stuck with him throughout the Artie-less episodes, some sense of camaraderie would have developed. But they didn't. We'll never know for sure if the poorer season 4 episodes would have been improved with RM's presence, but we can sure dream about it if we want to, and discuss how episodes would have been different with him. I agree wholeheartedly with Niecie, especially in Winged Terror. I cannot watch that scene where Frank has been hypnotized to attempt to kill Jim without thinking about how Artie would have felt if he found himself in that situation. My favorite Artie-less episode is Bleak Island, and I suspect it was written after it was known RM wouldn't be available. Even so, I think it could have been improved with Artie's presence.
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Post by dunn on Jun 19, 2012 19:36:20 GMT -8
Yes I do see that as a compliment towards Ross, that's fine, no problem. But I see it as an insult to Bob. Like I said before, I prefer the interaction and chemistry between Artie and Jim. But sometimes our favorite characters end up with different partners once in a while, look at other tv shows, it happens. But I'm not going to stop watching or put down the Artie-less episodes just because Artie wasn't in them. To me it was something different, a change which I thought was good. A different perspective as it were. I did see 'some sense of camaraderie' between the extra agents with Jim, it was....different, than the camaraderie between Artie and Jim. It was there, maybe because I'm a guy and I understand the subtleties of male relationships, they are let's say....less demonstrative than a female relationship between two females vs. two males. I think the point is, if there had been a 5th season, the Artie-less episodes would not have so much weight on them as they do now with only 4 seasons. I still think the Jim alone episodes were still good. And don't get me wrong, I like Artie but he doesn't need to be in every episode which I'm sure a lot of you Artie Angels will disagree, I understand that. Oh yeah, hey! Dream and fantasize all you want, I won't stop ya. I just feel that there are other things more important to talk about than what if's. I'm practical, I'd dream and fantasize if I had to write for a season of WWW that will actually be produced.
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Post by dunn on Jun 19, 2012 20:08:33 GMT -8
In Camera, I would have cared a LOT more if it was Artie wagering his life on the outcome of the pool (billiards?) game to keep the bad guy distracted while Jim and Bosley were in the other room. In Winged Terror (which was scheduled to be filmed in Season 3, but pushed back because of RC's head injury while filming Fugitives), I think it would have been worlds more chilling if it was Artie hypnotized to shoot Jim in the hotel room, rather than Frank Harper. There's a lot wrong with the final Dr Loveless episode, but having Artie in there would have made it much more tolerable. No offense meant to Jeremy Pike or Frank Harper. It's just a matter of time. We'd had alllllll those previous episodes to get to know and care about Artie, and know the deep friendship between Jim and Artie. There just wasn't enough time to get to care that much about Pike or Harper, nor did we know how much history there was between either of them and Jim. Yes Niecie I would have to agree with you on those points you brought up. But here is my point to consider. IF everything had gone according to plan, no heath issues or accidents, we would not have been introduced to Ned, Bosley, Harper, or Pike from which gave the WWW, just a little more depth so that some of you ladies here have used these short term characters in your fanfic stories. Unfortunately, it was at the expense of not seeing Artemus Gordon. I do think it would have been interesting to see Artie interacting with these other agents as Niecie had suggested earlier. But it didn't work out that way. So keep up the great fanfics with these other agents interacting with Jim and Artie. ;D
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Post by Nydiva on Jun 20, 2012 10:29:37 GMT -8
While we (unfortunately) can't rewrite history, IMO it would have been a much better season if they had waited for Ross to recover and kept the chemistry that worked so well, whole.
Sadly, the "substitutes" (regardless of the actors' individual merits and through no fault of their own) only left one (me at least) longing for the return of the real deal. There are just some actors that enhance and elevate whatever material they're given. Ross was one of them.
And as long as we're fantasizing (one of my favorite pastimes), I would have wished better health for Michael Dunn and a multitude more Miguelito episodes. Can't get enough of him!
I wouldn't have minded if they dropped one or two of the weaker eps for the return of Count Manzeppi either. The character gives me the creeps, but was portrayed intriguingly enough that I would have liked to see further development.
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Jun 20, 2012 11:15:26 GMT -8
While it's true that we wouldn't have had Jeremy Pike, Frank Harper, or Ned Brown - Bosley Cranston would have been in the show regardless. He wasn't a substitute for Artie; Jeremy was the sub in that episode.
Looking at the production order for season 4, it seems to me that they already had several episodes written and simply redid them slightly to accommodate RM's absence. (That is, strike out the name Artemus Gordon and write in the name of whichever substitute they were using that week.)
The four with Jeremy Pike were filmed first, then the two-parter with Frank Harper, then the episode with Ned Brown. After this come the two Jim alone episodes, so by this point the writers were turning out new material. And after that RM was well enough to return and they finished out with the final three episodes.
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Post by California gal on Jun 20, 2012 11:21:08 GMT -8
As far as having the extra agents as characters in fan fiction, I don't think that would have been a great loss. For me, at least, I probably would not have come up with the ideas for certain stories, or else I would have created a different character in the place of Pike or Harper. And I did create a running character in a young agent I've used several times. So that would not, for me, be a good reason to not wish Artie was in every Artie-less episode. ;D I've stated before that even though Jim is my favorite, as far as I'm concerned, most of the best scenes and best episodes are the ones in which both guys are together.
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Post by snish on Jun 20, 2012 13:21:23 GMT -8
I think this is an interesting topic and I wish I had more time to write a thoughtful post.
Yes, I do think the Artie-less episodes would have been better with Artie. (Naturally, what else could I say?) But even so, some of them still wouldn't be very good! Mig's Revenge should have been chucked and something better, more worthy of the Loveless character, could have been created (along with several other Loveless episodes, as Diva said). Tycoons is beyond redemption, as far as I'm concerned.
I have nothing against introducing other agents as characters in the show. Pike, Harper, and Ned Brown all could be worthy characters even if Artie was in all the episodes. And I do think a recurring female character, as in Miss Collingwood in TNot Diva, could have been a nice addition in the 4th or a 5th season.
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Jun 20, 2012 15:19:27 GMT -8
Oh! Forgot to do something - hey, Dr Loveless, turn around! Glad to see your back! ;D
I think I see your point of view - and maybe I only think I see it; I could be wrong - but for my part, it doesn't bother me to play a little game of what-could-have-been. I suppose part of that is, that this is the heart of fanfic, isn't it? Coming up with new stories or tweaking the old stories, and hoping to entertain? But the rest of it is, that this is tv, and to me at least, tv is fantasyland. It's all make-believe - yes, even the 'reality' shows and the tv news. So if it's all made-up, it doesn't bother me to do even more fantasizing and think about 'what if Artie had been in those episodes?' etc.
I'm sorry it bothers you though.
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Post by rielle on Jun 20, 2012 17:47:05 GMT -8
Fixing season 4?!!! “We could make an outstanding Fantasy Season 4?!!!! What?!! Season 4 is season 4, it’s done, it’s over why waste time speculating on what could have been? I think it’s presumptuous to think that any of us could do better at the time. Unless you are a director, executive, producer and a writer with a filming crew and with actors by the name of Robert Conrad and Ross Martin, I wouldn’t bother speculating on a fantasy season 4. Doctor L, I have to disagree, courteously, of course. In my opinion, there are certainly some episodes of Season 4 [and a far lesser number in the other seasons of our favourite programme] that could have been done a whole heckuva lot better. We might not all agree on which eps those were, but I think the crews and producers, and the writers, but certainly not the main actors, [I'm counting Ross and Robert, Michael, CharlesA and Bill Schallert here] may have been somewhat burnt out, and could have done better work in some cases. My own examples would be Tycoons, which is just embarrassing imo, Red Eyed Madmen, ditto, Druids Blood, which I won't even go into my list for what's wrong there, Eccentrics, Amnesiac, [both with Artie], Cossacks, [which has Artie] Pelican, Circus of Death [again with Artie present], Miguelito's Revenge... the only bright spot there is Charles as Jeremy and Susan Hayes as Delilah...imo, and there are others but that's enough for now "The Artie-less episodes, would they have been better if Artie were in them?" Not necessarily when you look at the SEEMINGLY effortless chemistry achieved fairly early on between Ross and Robert, I honestly can't question that the episodes in which Ross was unable to appear wouldn't have been better with both stars of W3 onscreen. Its not a matter of whether or not Jim or Artie would have occasionally worked with other agents. To me, its a matter of actors building a strong, thriving and unmistakable connection by working long hours together over a matter of several years by the time of Ross' heart attack and the time Robert had his terrible accident. The same level of chemistry and APPARENT ease simply can't be reached by actors coming in, essentially as guest stars, really. How could it?
in real life agents team up with other agents once in a while, and it was nice to see different faces interacting and working with James. Personally I do prefer to see James and Artie work together but realistically it doesn’t happen. Deal with it!! "Should they have never been made?!!!" Are you kidding me?!! Are you insinuating that a stand alone James West episode isn’t worth watching or having been made? Wow! I’d say that was a very big insult to Robert Conrad!!! Don’t forget Zimmerman, James West was the main character portraying along the lines of the idea of James Bond. Artemus Gordon was a support character doing a brilliant acting job on Ross Martin’s part, but he was not the main actor or character. oh, wow! wow, sorry but respectfully, I just can't credit this idea. Ross and Robert working together made Artemus a full partner and close friend/brother with James and that happened before the first season was half over. Through their efforts and those of the majority of W3 writers, Artie became fully as important as James in the series, or this discussion wouldn't be held, and its been held more than once on more than one forum. Robert was and is a much better actor than he's sometimes credited to be, all you have to do to know that is to watch him skillfully underplaying with Ross, with Richard Chamberlain, with Peter Falk, or Sean Connery, to name a few, but with Ross along for the ride as Artemus, we just DON'T have The Wild, Wild West...Robert said this HIMSELF when they were doing publicity for the tv movies... something along the lines of 'We can't do it without Ross, he's one of the Wilds... and cracked Ross completely up saying it, despite it being nothing but true.
I’m sure there are some fanfics out there that could have been better episode stories but what you are asking is dealing in fantasy, which means you can’t change the past, what’s done is done. Dealing in fantasy speculation only does any good toward constructing a 5th season of WWW and actually producing it. Other than that I wouldn’t waste my time or think I could have done a better job. I wasn’t there at the time and I didn’t know all the problems they were having. I have no fantasy need to re-make season 4. I have better things to think about. of course we're dealing with fantasy here. W3 was fantasy. And so is fanfiction. Are you saying here, Doctor that there's no need for fanfiction? If so there are a whole haggle of fans in a whole haggle of fandoms who would not agree, and I'm just one. We all want to change a scene, a beginning, an ending, a middle of even our favorite stories, don't we? We all get caught up in what ifs, which is where storytelling begins, don't we?
I am going to enjoy season 4 the way it is and not deal with, what if’s or how I think it should have gone. It degrades the memory of the show and is insulting to the actors. again, I just can't agree with this assessment, and that's coming from a fan who actually likes a lot about Winged Terror, with the exception, my apologies to Dieter, of Michelle Carey...or maybe its just her five foot long eyelashes that bother me... There is no one here who would degrade the memory of this show, and no one who would willfully insult the cast, either. But then, writing fanfiction does give one a different perspective, and a lot of us here have been writing fanfiction for a very long time now, myself, I started at age ten, with long lost fanfic about Disney's Swamp Fox.LOL
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Post by Nydiva on Jun 20, 2012 18:28:28 GMT -8
Hear, hear, Rielle. Long live fanfics. And long live the fact that each writer has her/his own idea of the WWW "universe".
Nothing wrong with re-imaging the show (lord know that's exactly my long-postponed pet project). It was imagination that gave us the wonderful basis to work from. And I'm sure we're all grateful to everyone who was originally involved. I know I am!
No one is denigrating what was; we'd (a general "we") just like to dream of what might have been.
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Post by rielle on Jun 21, 2012 1:31:07 GMT -8
I think this becomes a matter of agreeing to disagree.
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Post by California gal on Jun 21, 2012 6:28:16 GMT -8
So... why are you singling out me when everyone else pretty much said the same thing I did? I don't understand why Dr. L should be so upset. He voiced his opinion and everyone else gave theirs, which happen to pretty much disagree with his. I don't see why it required a long defense and esoteric explanation. As far as I could tell, no one attacked him. The purpose of a discussion board is to discuss, civilly and courteously, everyone's opinions. Agreeing to disagree is the usual modus operandi. Not everyone has the same ideas and opinions, nor should they. It's okay if I disagree with others' opinions and it's okay if others disagree with mine. That's happened lots and lots of times. I have only about 6 episodes in season 4 that I watch with any regularity, and only one (Bleak Island) is without Artie. I stated my reasons why. In fact, as the 6 might indicate, there are numerous episodes in season 4 WITH Artie that I don't watch often. In my opinion, something is missing in most of the entire season. There are people who believe season 4 is the absolute best season, which simply points out how people are different in their likes and dislikes. We may not understand, but we can accept. So as others have said, fan fiction is our way of rewriting season 4 and continuing with seasons 5, 6, 7, ad infinitum. It's our way to imagine and fantasize what should have and could have been. I plan to continue to dream.
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Post by Nydiva on Jun 21, 2012 6:49:37 GMT -8
I plan to continue to dream. Amen!!! I plan to continue reading (and doing a little dreaming of my own). ;D
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Post by rielle on Jun 21, 2012 7:42:26 GMT -8
I plan to continue to dream. Amen!!! I plan to continue reading (and doing a little dreaming of my own). ;D And Amen to that, as well!
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Post by Nydiva on Jun 21, 2012 7:46:16 GMT -8
Right back atcha!
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Post by rielle on Jun 21, 2012 9:06:14 GMT -8
I think this becomes a matter of agreeing to disagree. hmm?! I guess you still don't understand. Yeah and I don't blame you.......Crumpet Rielle? crumpets? what, what ho? No scones? No biscuits? No watercress sandwiches? I shall simply perish of hunger without them!
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Post by dunn on Jun 21, 2012 22:46:02 GMT -8
Holy moly!!! You people sure don’t know how to read! I was addressing Zimmerman and his thread idea. I have already explained to you how I feel about your opinions and what you perceived was something very different from what I had tried to explain. Ace is right about your perceptions, ladies, you see what you want to see. God help the next male members that join this board!!!!
I will not waste my time trying to explain my points of this thread, no matter what I tell you, that I agree with your opinions or not it doesn’t seem to make any difference with you people you will find fault and jump on me no matter what I or anyone else posts!!!
I am totally amazed!!!
Oh and Ace, don’t try and fight my own discussion battles, you just wasted your time and effort. They don’t understand. So next time butt out!! And if you or I try to explain any further, we will be accused of implying stupidity, flaming, being non civil and other ridiculous accusations. Unfriendly board, HA! Look in the mirror!!!
Ladies have you heard the term Mutual Admiration Society Clucking Hens? Over nothing!!!!!!!
Zimmerman read my original post, it is addressed to you, not the MASCH organization. My point still stands. I would like to have a rational discussion with you, Zimmerman, since you are the one who started the thread. I seem to have lost comprehension abilities with these ladies.
Wow! hens with sticks stuck up their.........hmmm what was the nice word I used last time!!! ;D
Hey I tried to be patient, but a man can only take so much pecking!!
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Post by Artiespet on Jun 22, 2012 9:53:39 GMT -8
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE??? This board was made so EVERYONE can have their say. If you come across a post you disagree with either talk about the points you don’t agree with CIVILIY or WALK away from that post. This board is everyone’s opinions NOT just those opinions we all agree with. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. And everyone and I mean EVERYONE is neither right nor wrong! If there is a part of someone’s post you feel you really disagree with take it up with them in a PM if you feel you really can’t be nice on the board.
I’m tired of all the whining because this one or that one doesn’t agree with me because I know MY opinion is the right one. No one and I mean NO ONE needed to post ANYTHING said in this thread in the manner in which it has been posted (with the exception of the thread starter).
If you want the right to comment on how someone doesn’t understand your opinion then you damn well better make sure you are making an attempt to understand theirs…not just seeing red the second you read something that you don’t like. If you think a fellow board member is saying something you are taking offense to ASK them to clarify things for you before you jump them about their opinion.
This board is a free exchange of ideas. And from time to time they will differ. That is what makes this a good place to visit. If everyone had the same viewpoint on every little thing I for one would not be here. I see things in just about every post above that I agree with. I also see things in just about every post that make me think WTF is this poster thinking or how can they get that out of what that person said. Am I going to jump them because I don’t agree with them? NO I am not. Am I going to nit pick and name call etc like a 12 year old? NO I am not. I keep a lot of my opinions to myself or discuss my contrary opinions with the post off the board because I know my opinions would not be accepted by some memebers. Am I wrong for doing so…maybe but it keeps things like this from happening.
I don’t want to have to play politeness police but if I am made to do so I will. I can start locking and or deleting threads where people want to act like 12 year olds. I would prefer not to have to do that but if I have to put on the Admin hat then sobeit.
I feel I am being put in the middle because this poster or that one want me to do this or that based on our friendship but when I am forced to put on my Admin hat I have no friends…everyone becomes a poster with an issue not my friend who is or isn't being attacked. And I have to look at each post objectively and with as much of an unbiased eye as I know how.
There has to come a time when adults draw the line and act accordingly. We have to ask ourselves am I acting like the adult I tell the world I am? If the answer is no then we all need to think hard before we hit the post button and maybe word our posts in a manner that won't come off sounding like we are just trying to stir things up.
I didn't ask to be Admin I was approached to be Admin by several people who told me they felt I could be fair and unbiased when dealing with people I consider to be friends and I try very hard to do just that. If you have an issue with the way I handle things come to ME with your issues don't whine to others because I can't even attempt to work on an issue if I don't know there is one.
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Post by Artiespet on Jun 22, 2012 10:43:08 GMT -8
hmm?! I guess you still don't understand. Yeah and I don't blame you.......Crumpet Rielle? crumpets? what, what ho? No scones? No biscuits? No watercress sandwiches? I shall simply perish of hunger without them! Watercress sandwiches? People still eat those things? ;D
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Post by w3mom on Jun 22, 2012 11:01:43 GMT -8
Thank you Admin. Sometimes (most of the time) replies like some of these make me hesitant to post.
However, I really liked the original thread, so if I may ask...? Of the Artie-less episodes, the one I liked least was TNOT Sabatini Death. Was anyone else confused by Ned Brown? I was never sure if he was a good guy or not. Then there was a fanfic where he was a bad guy and it seemed to fit for me.
I'm not so fond of the 4th season (RC's hair being a minor sore spot). I agree with the posters who said that there was a definite lack of character development that hindered caring about the new guys, but what can you do on real short notice? However, there are many of the fanfics that work with those characters very well and integrate them nicely into the WWW universe (TNOT Deadly Ransom being one of my favorites!)
I'm also not a very good writer (in my own opinion; I teach physics - give me diagrams and equations any day!) so I really appreciate the efforts of those that are and their willingness to share these efforts. I have the two new ones waiting for me to have five full minutes in a row (kids home from school - bleh!). So I say - fantasy on! And thanks!
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Post by California gal on Jun 22, 2012 11:29:12 GMT -8
Hi w3mom! Nice to see you again! Please don't let us scare you away. We don't bite--well, not most of us anyway! ;D We need more people like you around to keep us on an even keel. p.s. Well said, Commander Pet!
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Post by Nydiva on Jun 22, 2012 12:26:55 GMT -8
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE??? Um...we miss you? Seriously, I hope the next time you post will be under happier circumstances and that all this kerfuffle isn't putting more of a damper on your recovery! Take care and come back again soon!
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Post by snish on Jun 23, 2012 7:08:38 GMT -8
Thank you Admin. Sometimes (most of the time) replies like some of these make me hesitant to post. However, I really liked the original thread, so if I may ask...? Of the Artie-less episodes, the one I liked least was TNOT Sabatini Death. Was anyone else confused by Ned Brown? I was never sure if he was a good guy or not. Then there was a fanfic where he was a bad guy and it seemed to fit for me. I'm not so fond of the 4th season (RC's hair being a minor sore spot). I agree with the posters who said that there was a definite lack of character development that hindered caring about the new guys, but what can you do on real short notice? However, there are many of the fanfics that work with those characters very well and integrate them nicely into the WWW universe (TNOT Deadly Ransom being one of my favorites!) I'm also not a very good writer (in my own opinion; I teach physics - give me diagrams and equations any day!) so I really appreciate the efforts of those that are and their willingness to share these efforts. I have the two new ones waiting for me to have five full minutes in a row (kids home from school - bleh!). So I say - fantasy on! And thanks! Yes, welcome back, w3mom! I was interested in your question about Ned Brown. I didn't find him confusing--but he is different from the typical agent. He's not a field agent at all, but a lab guy put on special assignment for some reason I don't recall. (Mostly because they were thrilled to be able to get Alan Hale to stand in for Ross, I think.) And I like him a lot. (I just can't help it--after all, he's the Skipper!) I'm surprised that someone cast him as a bad guy in a fanfic, but then in fanfic anything goes. Do you recall specifically why you thought he might be bad?
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Post by Dieter on Jun 23, 2012 8:00:27 GMT -8
Plus it was cool to re-unite Alan Hale with Jim Backus after Gilligan's Island was cancelled the year before. Maybe that's why they brought him in. ;D Sabatini Death was one of my favorites in Season 4 actually, along with Bleak Island for the Artie-less episodes. Janus was my favorite Pike episode of the 4 he was in.
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Post by zimmerman on Jun 23, 2012 13:27:46 GMT -8
Plus it was cool to re-unite Alan Hale with Jim Backus after Gilligan's Island was cancelled the year before. Maybe that's why they brought him in. ;D Sabatini Death was one of my favorites in Season 4 actually, along with Bleak Island for the Artie-less episodes. Janus was my favorite Pike episode of the 4 he was in. Janus was my favorite episode with Jeremy Pike as well, plus it had the wonderful Jackie DeShannon in it as well. ;D I have modified this thread in the hopes of bringing it back to its original intent. Oh, Dr. Loveless, go back to creating more unusual ways to end our heroes, spend some more time with Volitare and Antoinette, and leave our role-playing threads alone, PLEASE. ;D I am a nice guy, and all posts are in the intention of pure fun, just like our show is ;D
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Post by dunn on Jun 23, 2012 17:18:59 GMT -8
Plus it was cool to re-unite Alan Hale with Jim Backus after Gilligan's Island was cancelled the year before. Maybe that's why they brought him in. ;D Sabatini Death was one of my favorites in Season 4 actually, along with Bleak Island for the Artie-less episodes. Janus was my favorite Pike episode of the 4 he was in. Janus was my favorite episode with Jeremy Pike as well, plus it had the wonderful Jackie DeShannon in it as well. ;D I have modified this thread in the hopes of bringing it back to its original intent. Oh, Dr. Loveless, go back to creating more unusual ways to end our heroes, spend some more time with Volitare and Antoinette, and leave our role-playing threads alone, PLEASE. ;D I am a nice guy, and all posts are in the intention of pure fun, just like our show is ;D Excuse me Zimmerman but I posted my opinion and now you chastise me for my opinion in public!!!!!!!! And I am to be excluded from your role-playing threads?!!! Why? Just because you do not understand my POV? According to the administrator I did nothing wrong in posting my opinion!!! Then I get the chicken brigade that jumped on top of me for my opinions too?!!! And I try to explain my POV?!!!! Wow!!! So now I can't share my opinion either now?!!!! Wow! Oh and if you don't like my writing style too bad, different people from different places!!!! I sent you a PM Zimmerman so we can discuss our differences and smooth things out. I just hope this is just a misunderstanding. ;D
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