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Post by LuckyLadybug on May 23, 2012 0:23:04 GMT -8
Hello all! This was a post I made on the Livejournal WWW comm, but I decided to bring it here since you guys seem a lot more conversational and would probably appreciate it more.  I have this uncanny knack for becoming very attached to guest-star characters, especially if they're played by someone I already love. Hence is the case with the sheriff in The Night of the Man-Eating House. William Talman ... oh yes. I have the same thing going on in The Night of the Headless Woman. I squeed to see Richard Anderson take part in that! (And I was pleased that I recognized his voice before they even showed his face.) But I was rather heart-broken that his character turned out to be the Big Bad! Haha. I wondered if there was any way that James Jeffers could have been, say, a double agent instead. But after a second viewing, I decided No. But a new idea hit me: maybe he had an evil double! Actually, as cracky as it may sound, the episode itself supports the idea! Jeffers' wound mysteriously moves around from the left side of his head to the right, as though there are two different people instead of just one. Naturally in reality it's a costuming error, but fanworks can take advantage of it anyway. Here, behold the evidence! (Unfortunately, by clicking links since I can't seem to make the "IMG" tag work....) pics.livejournal.com/insaneladybug/pic/0014ck1g/From the scene after Jeffers is beaten up and his daughter Betsy kidnapped. The wound is clearly on the left. And to make sure there's no confusion, since he's gripping the right side of his head ... pics.livejournal.com/insaneladybug/pic/0014f7rd/The dazed close-up. Clearly there is no wound on the right. And you can see the wound on the left. pics.livejournal.com/insaneladybug/pic/0014d12y/Here, with the full bandage on, you can't tell where the wound is. But he sure looks worried, not like the cold-hearted **bleep** who arranged to kidnap his own daughter. pics.livejournal.com/insaneladybug/pic/0014ez80/Now, revealed as the Big Bad, Jeffers' wound has magically moved to the right side of his head! If there is an evil double, he clearly didn't pay attention to where he was supposed to be wounded. I have thoughts of writing a follow-up story to The Night of the Headless Woman, wherein Jim starts thinking about it and starts to wonder if something more really was going on. And he and Arte eventually uncover the dastardly plot and have to help restore the real James Jeffers' good name. Not to mention find the real James Jeffers. |
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on May 23, 2012 0:36:00 GMT -8
Go for it!
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Post by Paradox Eyes on May 23, 2012 2:13:40 GMT -8
Okay, this is just my nitpicking but... it looks like he just had a bad bruise and some abrasion. Why did he need that big ol bandage? Maybe they did it because they couldn't even remember what they did to his head in the first place.  |
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Post by LuckyLadybug on May 23, 2012 8:44:49 GMT -8
Thank you, Niecie! I will be sure to post it here if I manage to get it rolling.  I already have a continuation of The Man-Eating House, which is moving ... slowly at best. (I think that's because it's hard only having one "set" to use, though.) Okay, this is just my nitpicking but... it looks like he just had a bad bruise and some abrasion. Why did he need that big ol bandage? Maybe they did it because they couldn't even remember what they did to his head in the first place. LOL! I wondered why there was that big wrap-around bandage too. Maybe they really did forget, considering they couldn't even remember what side was injured. |
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Post by zimmerman on May 24, 2012 16:22:07 GMT -8
It seems ironic that I was just thinking about this episode today, considering that this was Theodore Marcuse's last appearance on WWW before he was killed in a car accident.
Richard Anderson was a great villian in this episode. He did more guest appearances with the Barkleys on "The Big Valley" than on our "Our Favorite Programme", but I did like the way he was dressed in this particular episode, plus there were some great fights in it as well.
LuckyLadybug, is that Tol Avery in your picture profile? It sure looks a lot like him.
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on May 25, 2012 8:15:16 GMT -8
To me, Richard Anderson will always be Oscar Goldman from The Six Million Dollar Man - 'We can rebuild him; we have the technology' - not the mention the way he would rip off his glasses to show surprise. I always wondered how many pairs of glasses he broke doing that! And as someone who grew up on reruns of Gilligan's Island, I was tickled to see Dawn Wells in this episode. |
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Post by Apple on May 30, 2012 19:56:04 GMT -8
LuckyLadybug, is that Tol Avery in your picture profile? It sure looks a lot like him. That's William Talman, the sheriff in TNOT Man Eating House, and Hamilton Berger on Perry Mason. |
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Post by zimmerman on May 31, 2012 16:09:10 GMT -8
Thanks for the heads up on this, Apple. It sure looks a lot like Tol Avery just from looking at the picture.
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Post by LuckyLadybug on Jun 1, 2012 8:23:53 GMT -8
Thank you for the link, Nydiva! That is a cool picture, from one of my favorite scenes in the episode. Yes, I have become quite a fan of Richard Anderson! Zimmerman: Really? I never thought that William Talman looked like Tol Avery. I'll have to pay close attention the next time Tol pops up in something. And wow, I didn't realize Theodore Marcuse was killed in a car accident in the 1960s. Sad. I always enjoy seeing him guest-star on those old shows. I think the first time I paid attention to him was when he was in the first Monkees episode. |
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Post by zimmerman on Jun 2, 2012 13:25:13 GMT -8
Zimmerman: Really? I never thought that William Talman looked like Tol Avery. I'll have to pay close attention the next time Tol pops up in something.
And wow, I didn't realize Theodore Marcuse was killed in a car accident in the 1960s. Sad. I always enjoy seeing him guest-star on those old shows. I think the first time I paid attention to him was when he was in the first Monkees episode.
I found out about Mr. Marcuse's demise on a thread on the other board a few years ago.
And YaY!! Another fan of Theodore's "Monkees" episode! That is one of my favorites in the whole series. If you read my review on the "Bottomless Pit" thread, you may have noticed that I referenced "Royal Flush" in one particular passage.
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Post by zimmerman on Jun 2, 2012 13:32:26 GMT -8
In case you were wondering about Mr. Avery's appearances on WWW, he appeared briefly in the second-season episode "The Night of the Cadre" and the fourth-season episode "The Night of the Tycoons", which had one of my favorite traditional pop singers (and RC's one-time Warner Bros. Records labelmate) Joanie Sommers in it.
Mr. Avery was great as Lou Anne Poove's (Elizabeth MacRae) father in a fourth-season episode of "Gomer Pyle, USMC", and that's when I started to pay more attention to his work.
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Post by LuckyLadybug on Jun 25, 2012 10:15:18 GMT -8
Sweet. I have season 2, so I'll have a look at Night of the Cadre to refresh my memory. And I remember that Gomer episode! That was a good one. I have most episodes recorded from when my local Fox affiliate showed it late at night/early in the morning.
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Post by zimmerman on Jun 26, 2012 13:22:42 GMT -8
Sweet. I have season 2, so I'll have a look at Night of the Cadre to refresh my memory. And I remember that Gomer episode! That was a good one. I have most episodes recorded from when my local Fox affiliate showed it late at night/early in the morning. Do you live in the Chicagoland area? "Gomer Pyle, USMC" was aired on WFLD Channel 32 in Chicago in the mid-to-late 1990's in the wee hours of the morning. I taped several programs off of there on VHS, and I still have them, plus the complete Seasons of 3, 4, and 5 on DVD. ;D And, let us not forget, "Gomer Pyle--USMC" immediately followed "Our Favorite Programme" on Friday Nights during each programs respective final two seasons ;D. |
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Post by LuckyLadybug on Jun 27, 2012 8:55:10 GMT -8
Nope, nowhere near Chicago! That's cool that other stations did that too. I've been meaning to pick up some of the season sets, especially 3. I think it and 4 have the highest concentration of my favorite episodes. (And lots of opportunities for Corporal Boyle to be cool. He's my favorite character.)
And I saw Night of the Cadre! Tol Avery looked about how I remembered him from other appearances. I can see how he and William Talman might be confused from a distance; those darn icons are so small!
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Post by zimmerman on Jun 28, 2012 12:43:46 GMT -8
Roy Stuart was very good as Corporal Boyle, trying his best to monitor Sgt. Carter's various moods?
And, BTW, my favorite "Gomer Pyle" character was Duke Slater, played by Ronnie Schell. One of my favorite episodes of the series is when Slater does the impressions of Gomer and Carter at the Jade Club, which was aired in the Second Season.
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Post by LuckyLadybug on Jun 30, 2012 11:03:21 GMT -8
Oh yes! And I find it so interesting how in his first appearance he was the one thinking Gomer was up to no good, and then he apparently comes to know Gomer very well, even better than Carter, as later on, he's always the one sticking up for Gomer.
Ha! That episode was fun. Ronnie Schell was amazing with his impressions. Duke is a great character, too. I was very displeased when Roy Stuart left, with no real explanation given for his character's absence, but I am very happy that since they needed a replacement, they brought back Ronnie Schell. That rarely ever happens on a series.
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Post by zimmerman on Jun 30, 2012 13:32:34 GMT -8
The reason that they brought Ronnie Schell back in the final year is because he was absent in the fourth season doing a sitcom called "Good Morning World" also starring Goldie Hawn.
I do not if Roy Stuart is related to Barbara Stuart, who played Sgt. Carter's girlfriend Bunny.
She passed away last year, sadly.
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Post by zimmerman on Jun 30, 2012 13:52:55 GMT -8
BTW, your story is getting really good! I read the first chapter yesterday and I was already hooked!!
Us fans of Jim & Artie really appreciate it. Keep up the good work!
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Post by LuckyLadybug on Jun 30, 2012 22:37:50 GMT -8
Yeah, I knew Ronnie Schell was off making another series during the fourth season. It's still very unusual for someone to return, though! (Good Morning World, eh? Gah, I have one of the discs of that on my Netflix queue, one with an episode where Simon Oakland guest-stars. It says "Short Wait" but I've been waiting for weeks! They should say "Very Long Wait.") I don't think Roy was related to Barbara. Oh dear, I didn't know she'd passed away recently. Sad, how we're losing so many. And thank you! I'm very happy my story is being enjoyed! |
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Post by California gal on Jul 2, 2012 18:14:11 GMT -8
Ladybug, be sure to post when you've posted the last chapter of your story. I want to read it, but not until it's finished.  |
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Post by zimmerman on Jul 3, 2012 16:24:45 GMT -8
Hello Ladybug, Got a lot of stuff for you today. For starters, it is great how this has turned into the Zimmerman/Ladybug chat thread! ;D It is so great to have found another "Gomer Pyle" fan on here. A couple more things for my Corporal Boyle fan: My favorite line from him comes in the second season episode when Gomer takes care of Sgt. Carter's 1961 Dodge, a car that Carter is very protective of ;D. When he sees Carter taking care of his car and is preparing to leave, his says to Carter, "I've got a ribbon if you want to wrap it as a gift." Very funny line from him. ;D My favorite Boyle-heavy episode is "The Secret Life of Gomer Pyle" , wherein Carter thinks that Gomer is a lady magnet after he sees the pictures that Gomer was "Duped" into posing for "Fun Girl" Magazine. Imagine his shock when Gomer took Carter to his rug-hooking class  ! Great comaraderie between Carter and Boyle in that particular episode. Also, you joined the same month that I started posting on here, so you may have seen me talk about a book called "Who's Who On TV" by Richard H. Heller. My very first thread that I started on here in early May contained the profiles of Robert Conrad and Ross Martin, so since you are a huge Corporal Boyle fan, I thought that you would like to read his profile in the book, circa the Summer of 1967: "ROY STUART was born in NYC July 17, 1935, grew up there and in Providence, R.I. A cafe comic, he worked in stock before appearing in two B'way flops, was a TV hit on "Tonight" and Garry Moore's daytime show. Forced to choose between roles on "Please Don't Eat the Daises" and "Gomer Pyle", he chose the latter. He's single, is 6'3'', weighs 165, has hazel eyes." Going back to the subject of this particular thread, I have to go through my printout piles at home, but I will compile a list of all of Richard Anderson's "Big Valley" appearances for you in due time, plus, I have yet to watch his sole appearance on "Bonanza." Chapter Two of your story was better than chapter One in my humble opinion. This is now going from an interesting story about Boll Weevils to a fascinating character study. I am slowly starting to believe that there was a double for James Jeffers, because he seems way too weak and too thin to be a villan, even though he had impeccable taste in clothing. . I am anxiously looking forward to what will happens next. Please give Grotesque Man a name! If it is not from the show, what I like to do is take the first and last names of a couple of musicians or friends I know, or the first letters of a persons name, and create a new character around it. Hopefully this will help you in your fan fiction endeavor. I also appreciate that there is no cursing or swearing in this story, either--don't like that when I read fiction or watch television.  . Have a great 4th of July. Private Zimmerman |
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Jul 3, 2012 17:00:55 GMT -8
Not to give any spoilers of course, but I did enjoy your latest installment on your story, Ladybug. Please keep going!
Oh, and btw, zimmerman - one of my daughters keeps a black sharpie pen by her when she reads a book she has bought, and any swearing in the book instantly disappears under a thick black line. ;D
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Post by LuckyLadybug on Jul 4, 2012 0:16:43 GMT -8
Zimmerman: Thank you for the information! LOL, I vaguely remember the car episode. I have far stronger memories of The Secret Life of Gomer Pyle. It was certainly a unique episode. I was glad Carter finally realized how wrong he'd been about Gomer. Although the visual gag of him really seeming to shrink a la The Night of the Raven because of how small he felt was a bit strange! Definitely not the show's typical fare. I think my favorite is Gomer, the Welsh Rabbit Fiend. Lots of Boyle standing up for Gomer and lots of bizarre silliness going on with Gomer and Carter! I also love Where There's a Will and One of Our Shells is Missing. That's a fun blurb! I didn't know a lot of that information. It's so hard to find out anything about Roy Stuart. I'm amazed that he's included in it. Is that book still in print? Thank you too for the offer of compiling the list of Big Valley episodes! I am aware of them from IMDB.com, but if you have a recommendation on which one I should start with, I'd be much obliged! And thank you for your continuing analysis of my story! I really like knowing how things are coming across to people. Jeffers, I believe, if going by the idea that he is not a villain, is an everyman, a common citizen who really has had little to no exposure to danger or criminals. Hence, he doesn't really know how to handle such a situation when presented with it. But I'm hoping to develop his character more so that by the end he becomes a stronger person. I'm trying to embark on that from the start by having him stand up to Grotesque Man instead of being a sniveling coward, so I'm a bit unsure of whether your description of Jeffers as weak and thin is based only from the episode (in which case, in the warehouse scene I agree) or if you also mean his portrayal so far in my story. (Going by the idea that he's a villain, well, he's rather weak and thin and arrogant, judging from what we see in the warehouse scene of the episode. As a villain, the character was kind of pathetic, albeit ruthless and devious. I think he has better potential for growth as a good guy.) Grotesque Man now has a name, too, which you will see when you get to Chapter 3. I was previously just describing him sort of tongue-in-cheek as Jeffers saw and named him in his mind. Thank you for your naming tips! I usually draw on part of the name of a favorite character or author or singer or actor; either that or I choose a name I like or I pull a name randomly out of thin air. And I am proud to say that I have never had a swear word in one of my stories. The most I'll do is acknowledge a character was swearing, while leaving it fully up to the imagination on what he said. Niecie: Thank you too! I'm glad people are reading and enjoying! LOL, I have used the black Sharpies (and also white-out!) when encountering swears in books, especially particularly harsh ones. I didn't know anyone else did that. Awesome.
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Post by Dieter on Jul 4, 2012 1:01:52 GMT -8
I'm surprised you guys know so much about Gomer Pyle, because I sure don't! Ha! I don't think that's even been on TV anymore for like 20-30 years that I know of so I have no clue what you are talking about with that show. |
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Post by LuckyLadybug on Jul 4, 2012 11:37:26 GMT -8
You poor, underprivileged soul, with no TV channels airing it in your area. Time to find some DVDs and see what all the fuss is about! |
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Post by zimmerman on Jul 5, 2012 16:23:31 GMT -8
[b I think my favorite is Gomer, the Welsh Rabbit Fiend. Lots of Boyle standing up for Gomer and lots of bizarre silliness going on with Gomer and Carter! I also love Where There's a Will and One of Our Shells is Missing. "Gomer The Welsh Rarebit Fiend" is one of my all-time favorite "Gomer Pyle" episodes as well, probably in my top 20. It is rare for Gomer to chew Carter out like that, albeit in his sleep, though ;D, still it made for a very good episode. That's a fun blurb! I didn't know a lot of that information. It's so hard to find out anything about Roy Stuart. I'm amazed that he's included in it. Is that book still in print? "Who's Who In TV' is out of print, sadly, because it centered only on the 1967-68 TV season. Try finding a good copy from Ebay or Amazon. It has a blue cover with all kinds of TV stars on it. You really threw me for a loop by including Dr. Loveless in your current story! I never expected it would go that route. It did help me my current non-WWW Western story go in a totally different direction with my Loveless-inspired character entering the picture. Have a great one. Private Zimmerman |
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Jul 5, 2012 16:38:48 GMT -8
Hey, Zim! I avoided giving spoilers on Ladybug's story!
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Post by zimmerman on Jul 5, 2012 16:52:08 GMT -8
Well, good for you!
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Post by Dieter on Jul 5, 2012 17:55:04 GMT -8
You poor, underprivileged soul, with no TV channels airing it in your area. Time to find some DVDs and see what all the fuss is about! Haha-- There's 999 channels to get here but I haven't seen Gomer Pyle on any of them forever. Do you get it on a local channel in your area?? |
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I already have a continuation of The Man-Eating House, which is moving ... slowly at best. (I think that's because it's hard only having one "set" to use, though.)
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