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Post by Dieter on Oct 8, 2011 15:10:44 GMT -8
Yes. I believe we see the mint assistant leave and walk down the street. Then Jim and "Artie" join up, watching him go behind some buildings and Jim tells "Artie" to go around the back. The guy playing Artie turns enough that you can see it's not Ross Martin. I presume it's Bob Herron, but I'm not positive. But then Ross as Artie turns up inside the building. I caught that too, CalGal. I always wondered about that, why RM wasn't in that scene. I just saw it too--It was definitely not Ross, but couldn't tell if it was Bob Herron either. That is quite strange!! But there was about 5 minutes of no Artie starting at that time. Maybe Ross went home sick or something and wasn't around to do that scene. But did show up again at the top of the stairs to throw Jim his gun after the fight scene. A total mystery for now though!!
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Post by Double Take on Oct 8, 2011 15:37:21 GMT -8
What I think boggles the mind is the order that they shoot scenes which has nothing to do with what we see in the finished product. And then they will shoot the same scene several times from different angles. I would never make it in the motion picture business...my brain is too linear.
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Post by California gal on Oct 8, 2011 17:48:49 GMT -8
I have some tapes of "raw" footage from The Lost World and it is really interesting sometimes how many times they reshoot a scene, from all different angles. I'm not sure if they used as many cameras for Wild Wild West, but there were some LW shots that to me look just fine, yet they redo them at the same angle.
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Post by California gal on Oct 8, 2011 17:57:02 GMT -8
OK, here is a shot of the gasman, and also Bob Herron as the bartender in Flying Pie Plate. Very difficult to tell, especially with all the makeup on the gasman!
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Post by Apple on Oct 8, 2011 18:04:35 GMT -8
I emailed Sue Kessler, who is a friend of Bob's. She said, "They needed an actor not a stuntman to cover Ross's gasman role. I tried to find out who it was but no one could remember who filled in as Ross. The guy is not credited either so its a mystery."
Great. The author of the Kessler Bible doesn't know! LOL
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Post by California gal on Oct 8, 2011 19:04:41 GMT -8
It's too bad the gasman's ears are covered by his hair. As we know from Flaming Ghost, ears are a dead giveaway!
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Post by Dieter on Oct 8, 2011 22:14:41 GMT -8
I emailed Sue Kessler, who is a friend of Bob's. She said, "They needed an actor not a stuntman to cover Ross's gasman role. I tried to find out who it was but no one could remember who filled in as Ross. The guy is not credited either so its a mystery." Great. The author of the Kessler Bible doesn't know! LOL That's so funny, Apple--I was just thinking about emailing Sue too to ask her myself and then just read your post! I'm just going on memory that Bob told me he did it---and comparing the 2 pics just now it really is hard to tell if it's the same person or not. I just watched that part of the episode and it really was hard to tell. I'm almost leaning more towards a No it's not Bob. I think Sue needs to ask Bob again herself and then get back to us with the answer. Because I'm even confused about it now!!
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Post by Apple on Oct 9, 2011 5:03:00 GMT -8
I thought she WOULD ask, which is why I emailed her...sigh. I don't think the voice matches up either, compared to his portrayal of Captain Jackson. I didn't realize he was the bartender in Flying Pie Plate!
The thread over on the other board states that the viewer thought that Schallert's voice was a dead giveaway...and I agree, but I don't think that's his voice in this one. Have to compare it to Gruesome Games.
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Post by snish on Oct 9, 2011 5:57:27 GMT -8
Wow, it is just impossible to be sure. I would say that the gas man is older than Bob Herron, the skin on his neck sags, the lines in his cheeks are deeper. But the gas man is a closeup shot where you can see things like that more clearly, and the cheeks and nose could come from makeup.
I'm sure Bob Herron covered for RM in some of the shots, but whether he did the gas man acting bit we may never know!
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Post by Apple on Oct 9, 2011 11:21:27 GMT -8
The nose looks like putty to me. I will have to look at Arte's eyes and neck to see if his are really aged like this guy seems to be. Make me crazy!
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Post by California gal on Oct 9, 2011 13:27:03 GMT -8
This is odd. A day or two ago I looked up Bob Herron on IMDB and under Wild Wild West it listed 12 or 14 episodes in which he had appeared. Now all it says is "stunt double for Ross Martin" and lists only Man Eating House! I was going to try to do a couple of other snaps of him for comparison.
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Post by Apple on Oct 9, 2011 13:30:40 GMT -8
hmmm. That is very odd. What the heck is going on around here?
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Post by Apple on Oct 9, 2011 13:33:33 GMT -8
Ok, Cal Gal, I looked at Bob's IMDb page and found his acting on WWW. You have to click on Actor under his name.
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Post by Dieter on Oct 9, 2011 13:35:27 GMT -8
I was about to tell you that because thats how I found out all the episodes he acted on. Yeah it's under the "actor" section, not "stunt" section.
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Post by California gal on Oct 9, 2011 13:56:50 GMT -8
Oh, yes! I forgot about that. Ever since IMDB revised their format, I have to remember to click the different category! I'll check again later. Still odd, though, because I didn't change anything since the previous time I looked.
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Post by Silver on Oct 10, 2011 13:10:41 GMT -8
Just me, but looking at those two pictures, I get the feeling that the gasman is indeed Bob Herron. I think it's the set of the eyes and the of the between-the-brows area, and a few things so subtle I can't point them out specifically.
I rewatched Flying Pie Plate over the weekend, and was really watching when RC knocks Bob Herron out with the wrong banister post. OUCH!
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Post by Apple on Oct 10, 2011 18:51:01 GMT -8
GOtta look at the hands! Those hands on the gasman are meaty, and I am pretty sure that Schallerts are NOT. Silver, you may be right...which makes Dieter right A similar example is in TNOT Infernal Machine, when Jim is summoned because Arte is badly burned in the kitchen. We find out later that the bandaged pastry chef is the Judge, not Arte at all...but in the scene where Jim is speaking with him as he lies on the floor, those are Ross Martin's hands, not Ed Begley's. (And it's Ross's voice, muffled. I recognize it anywhere )
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Post by Dieter on Oct 10, 2011 21:27:46 GMT -8
Yeah--I have a really good memory and distinctly remember Bob Herron telling me during lunch at TGI Fridays it was him playing the entire part for Ross after he broke his leg that day.
Then this whole dissecting the ep came up and I almost started to doubt my memory there---especially after Apple emailed Sue Kesler about it with no final answer and then it got even more confusing!!
I started to think I'm losing my own mind about this whole thing!! ;D
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Post by artiesniecewannabe on Oct 10, 2011 21:30:08 GMT -8
And a mind is a terrible thing to waste lose.
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Post by Dieter on Oct 10, 2011 21:44:53 GMT -8
And thinking more about it---I see what's making it more confusing is looking at the difference of how Bob looked as Captain Jackson in Deadly Bed and the bartender in Flying Pie Plate. He was more himself there, still young, as opposed to playing an old man with gray hairy face and hair with lots of wrinkles ( all make-up) with a goofy, exagerated old man voice. Does seem like different people--but it was meant to be that way.
And I can imagine with well over 300 movie and TV rolls as stunt man and actor--it could be hard for Sue, especially, to know exactly what he did in that 1 episode of the hundreds of parts he played.
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Post by Dieter on Oct 10, 2011 21:50:35 GMT -8
And a mind is a terrible thing to waste lose. I know I've still got pretty strong brain cells--haha. I still remember alot of what I did when I was a kid. My earliest memory was when we still lived in Hollywood when I was sleeping in bed with mom and our next door neighbor, Mrs. Wheeler called and woke us up. I can still totally picture that--We moved out of that Hollywood house when I was about 1 1/2 years old. So that never left my mind for some reason! ;D
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Post by Apple on Oct 11, 2011 3:37:10 GMT -8
I thought she would go straight to the source and ask him herself...I didn't doubt that he told you that Dieter. I wondered about his memory though, especially when I saw that old post.
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Post by Dieter on Oct 11, 2011 8:00:13 GMT -8
That's what she should do actually. I don't know if Sue asked Bob yet, but hopefully she will.
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